By Eddy Veuger (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #10) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 3:16 am: |
Today the Dutch newspapers report that ten supposed criminals are arrested on Bonaire. The crimes involve mostly robbery and theft (apartments & cars). The minister of Bonaire, Elvis Tjin-Asjoe, reported two weeks ago that crime is increasing significantly on Bonaire.
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By Tad Jones (BonaireTalker - Post #24) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 9:32 am: |
I have been 5 times and have NEVER had anything stolen, nor felt unsafe. Basically, leave the windows in your truck down, or at least cracked so potential thieves don't have to break into it. Leave it unlocked as well.
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By Ann Johnson, Massage Hut-Sorobon Beach (BonaireTalker - Post #44) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 10:20 am: |
FYI-Elvis is the Economic Minister on the inter-island council.
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By Susan - www.bsdme.info (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #500) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 1:50 pm: |
From Amigoe today
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By Fiona Rattray (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #387) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 2:31 pm: |
Great news! Let's see this get reported on all the dive boards out there. Kudos to the Bonaire police.
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By Yo MO (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2890) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 2:39 pm: |
WOW - that is really good news. And let's hope that they can find cells to house them.
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos ) (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1133) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 3:09 pm: |
Hip Hip Hurray for the Bonaire police & their chief!
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By Sparty (BonaireTalker - Post #57) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 3:45 pm: |
The report mentions "what took place in the last two months is unacceptable". I have not noticed any "out of the ordinary" crime mentioned on this board in the last two months. What exactly happened to finally get their attention?
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #698) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 10:22 pm: |
The last 2 months saw lots of break ins at local houses and tourist houses ... I would think 2/3 locals and 1/3 tourists ... lots on side streets with little traffic
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By Jeff (BonaireTalker - Post #85) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 10:29 pm: |
All that I can say is: GO TEAM, KEEP IT UP! If you need more jail cells, build them! Let all the petty thieves know that there is room at the inn.
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By Kobi In Virginia SHAKING away the pounds (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2254) on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 10:33 pm: |
Great news, indeed! Wow, didn't know they had 48 police officers!! I am glad they caught these idiots and am sure they will find somewhere to house them until.....forever?!?! Saw the ages and most are young adults. They should publish their names and addresses; this way we'll know and so will their neighbors! Then next trip I can pay them a visit!
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By Brian back in Blighty (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3309) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 3:40 am: |
I very glad to see the police corpse alive and kicking at the bad guys. Good job.
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By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #469) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 8:17 am: |
Kobi
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By Peter Dobson / Den Laman unit F (BonaireTalker - Post #54) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 8:23 am: |
more arrests today and request for those who have had items stolen to come to the station house to identify property. Peter
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By Eddy Veuger (BonaireTalker - Post #12) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 8:44 am: |
Mickey,
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By Martin de Weger (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4595) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 8:49 am: |
What good would it do to you that you know where a suspect (or even convicted) criminal lives? Just so you can "pay them a visit"?? And then what, talk, fight, kill, get killed?? One should respect the laws of the country one visits, including the laws regarding privacy of ALL residents, permanent or temporarily.
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By Eddy Veuger (BonaireTalker - Post #13) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 9:04 am: |
Thats all very nice until the teacher of your child or neighbour is a suspected child molester...
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By Kathy H (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9554) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 9:48 am: |
Interesting. I hope that I personally hear from the police. Sounds encouraging.
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By Cynde [Moderator] (Moderator - Post #540) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 10:18 am: |
I just reread the posting...7 of the 10 are Bonaire born...
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By YucatanPat (BonaireTalker - Post #49) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 12:31 pm: |
This certainly is very good news for both locals and island visitors alike. Glad the crime issue was taken seriously by the government. The only concern I have is that they found weapons when making the arrests. In all my BT readings, I do not recall one incident of "armed robbery" being reported.
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By Susan - www.bsdme.info (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #501) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 3:55 pm: |
From today 1/11/07 Amigoe
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By Kobi~SHAKING away the pounds in Virginia (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2275) on Thursday, November 1, 2007 - 7:38 pm: |
Glad they are still at it and arresting these offenders!
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By Debbie Babcock (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6276) on Friday, November 2, 2007 - 12:12 pm: |
Thanks for the update, Susan. Seems like something like this happened last year, well, I would call it a "family" all got arrested for same thing, but they had to let them go as no where to put them in jail. I hope this is not the "same" family group of folks.
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By ScubaBanker (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #665) on Friday, November 2, 2007 - 8:15 pm: |
I talked to Kathy tonight and she was telling me about this thread. Does anyone know what people who were tourist and had there stuff stolen what the procedure would be to find out if their items were located ?
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By Thom Wright (BonaireTalker - Post #14) on Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 12:09 pm: |
No jail cells? Just lock them up inside the Hilma Hooker.
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By John th'oldun (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #6) on Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 1:37 pm: |
Residents don't bother to post about crime because "everyone" wants to keep it quiet.
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos ) (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1138) on Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 2:42 pm: |
John..You're really jaded & misinformed. There's no censorship. Just follow the rules, pure & simple.
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By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6304) on Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 3:17 pm: |
Why don't we suggest to "the government" that they use part of our departure tax or over-nite tax to build a "real" jail for the bad guys....they need to know there is a place they will be held for a long time before they will stop committing these crimes...now they know they are not held accountable by any real degree.
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By Ross Canant (BonaireTalker - Post #87) on Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 3:51 pm: |
Impossible, must be a mistake, there is no crime on Bonaire. I read it right here.
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By ScubaBanker (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #666) on Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 8:33 pm: |
I think instead of starting a whole debate about crime and how it is being handled or not being handled. That this should become a positive thread in that the police should be praised for carrying out this sting and arresting the people that they did.
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By John th'oldun (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #8) on Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 8:51 pm: |
Ross, I'm surprised that didn't get censored, just like mine saying there was crime. Maybe the mods don't understand sarcasm. Or maybe you are allowed to say you have heard about a non crime but not to say you have heard about a crime.
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By El Pab (BonaireTalker - Post #40) on Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 9:02 pm: |
Of course there's no crime on Bonaire, if there was it would be in the Bonaire Reporter, and talked about on Bonaire chat now, wouldn't it?
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By Jeff (BonaireTalker - Post #86) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 4:39 am: |
Cynde,
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By Brian back in Blighty (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3313) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 6:39 am: |
Fellow Brit's - the problem with such an open forum is that crime gets over sensationalised and takes over the board. Some controls were needed to reduce hearsay and to make reports on crime more objective than subjective.
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By bob...35 days til trip/20 workouts... (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2355) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 6:44 am: |
crime has a way of "taking over" everything...
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By Cynde [Moderator] (Moderator - Post #546) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 11:26 am: |
Folks, if you don't like the policies of BT, please go somewhere else. We the moderators have talked until we are blue in the fingers in regard to why we have the policy. Please search the board and you will find out why. You can always apply to become a moderator (no garauntee you will be accepted) and then we can have you moderate all of the crime threads...it's fun!
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By Jim Taylor (BonaireTalker - Post #35) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 12:07 pm: |
Most of us know there is a bias on this newgroup to hype the good news and ignore the bad. Rule 1 is never to say anything bad about Bonaire.
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By Lloyd Haskell (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #3) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 2:30 pm: |
I am new to bonaire talk , im going to bonaire in a few days for the first time . Some friends had an incident in August , im afraid if i give details i will be deleted from this posting . It made me check out bonaire and the crime on the island . I was shocked at what i found . Yes , crime is planetwide , but for an island of less than 15000 , bonaire is in bad shape. When the postings get pulled i feel the mods are sucarcoating the environment they love . I dont think anyone believes everything they read on the internet to be the hard truth , it is a place of information and misinformation . The beauty is making your own decisions on what to believe . Spammers are everywhere , we are not little kids that need protection. As a mod told me that some crime storys are made up to slander certain establishments , just as many are made up to say how great the same places are . This is an awesome site for travellers and residents of bonaire . You are breaking the main rule of free speech dudes , wake up .
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By Mare (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #32) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 2:35 pm: |
Jim, et alia,
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By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2638) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 3:12 pm: |
In times past BT had troubles with trolls posting and running on about fictitious crime. The present policies are aimed at preventing that sort of thing and have been effective. It would be wonderful if all that is posted on BT could be believed but that has been proven to be untrue; that would be much easier on the mods. If there is a fault, it lies with the trolls, not with our Mod Squad.
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By Tad Jones (BonaireTalker - Post #36) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 3:48 pm: |
Hey guys......
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By YucatanPat (BonaireTalker - Post #52) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 3:50 pm: |
Glen, well said!
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By Tad Jones (BonaireTalker - Post #37) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 4:21 pm: |
Excellent point Glen!!!
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By Kathy H (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9579) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 6:58 pm: |
GREAT news!!!
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By Kathy H (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9580) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 7:01 pm: |
Btw, many MANY stolen items still remain unaccounted for. I have a glimmer of hope for the rest. We were talking about getting someone on island to go try to ID our stuff, if it's still there. If you can't tell, I'm very happy! Just to know they cracked this ring of thieves, to know they ARE the ones who broke in our bungalow, and our passports are still there is a great start.
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By Gail T. (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2452) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 7:13 pm: |
Very good news, Kathy. High hopes for many more of your things to be recovered!
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By Kobi in Virginia (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2364) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 7:20 pm: |
Awesome news Kathy! I will continue prayers that your other things will be recovered also. Hope someone on island can help you identify things!!!
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By ScubaBanker (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #667) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 9:58 pm: |
KRALENDIJK — En konekshon
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By Jamie Meyer (BonaireTalker - Post #14) on Monday, November 5, 2007 - 11:14 pm: |
Good luck Kathy. I'm glad to see such great efforts within the police dept. I hope we get our stuff back, I will call the PD tomorrow and see if I can get more info. Thanks for keeping us updated.
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By Kathy H (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9586) on Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 7:41 am: |
This mornings email...but I have not heard from the detective as he mentioned. Christine did, and maybe she'll hear from him again today! We're getting somewhere!
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By Kathy H (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9587) on Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 7:42 am: |
If he saw my credit card then maybe my wallet is still intact (SS card, etc.)
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By Jon (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #318) on Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 8:42 am: |
ScubaBanker:
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #481) on Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 9:05 am: |
scubabanker, you could try this website for a "translation" (sort of)
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By Jan Klos - ( Hamlet Bonaire #10) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #547) on Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 1:21 pm: |
jon, I did read why you had said before the text was deleted, and do not understand where it csme from. I did not read anything in ScubaBanker's message to anger anyone, nor did I notice it was directed at you. So please let us understand why you went on such an attack!
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By Jerry (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7625) on Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 2:31 pm: |
Jon, you take your meds or I'm calling your mother!
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By BOOM! and then there was Tara (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #5313) on Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 8:34 pm: |
Been lurking mostly lately --- what GREAT news for Bonaire, Kathy, Larry, Christine, Autumn (I think I have that name right), Jamie and all others who have been victimized.
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By Kathy H (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9592) on Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 8:46 pm: |
Hey Jon, email me. I can't figure this out.
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By Jan Klos - ( Hamlet Bonaire #10) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #548) on Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 8:53 pm: |
I also should have mentioned what great news this is,. Hopefully lessons will be learned and noted that indiviuals can not get away with terrorizing innocent victims. I certainly hope that you all get most of your belongings back.
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By Kevin W. Williams (Pink Beach Properties (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #423) on Friday, November 9, 2007 - 11:08 am: |
What I can get of the Papiamento is not very earth-shattering, mainly a summary of events, reaction from Jan van Straten, etc. It does say that recovered items will be on display on "next" Wednesday from 9 to 12. I assume that was Wednesday the 7th.
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By Tad Jones (BonaireTalker - Post #40) on Friday, November 9, 2007 - 12:01 pm: |
Kevin.......
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By Kathy H (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9610) on Friday, November 9, 2007 - 12:23 pm: |
Bad news on my end. The passports, credit cards and the safe were burned...almost beyond recognition. I wish he'd have told us that and not gotten our hopes up. Ah well.
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By Jan Klos - ( Hamlet Bonaire #10) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #555) on Friday, November 9, 2007 - 5:06 pm: |
Tad, One thing that you need to consider to put this into perspective is the population. I live in a small town of 16,000 or so, and our crime rate is most likely lower than what is being reported through BT'rs.( Never mind what doesn't get reported, or those who live on island, have problems that we do not hear about) I am no expert on crime, however what some of us have seen & heard, is that there seems to be no punishment. Every now & then a huge raid takes place, people are arrested, things quiet down for awhile, and then it starts all over again. The break-ins & robberies will not stop (or be less frequent) until those who are responsible are punished.
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By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6322) on Friday, November 9, 2007 - 5:33 pm: |
I agree, Jan. They should be locked up and punished somehow. If not, the cycle repeats and repeats....in some weird way it seems to enforce the thinking mode of "crime pays" if they get a hand-slap only and then are set free to do as they please. Must be some way to discourage these types of crimes...be it by incarceration or some other effective way. Need to have a deterrent of some sort to let the bad guys know "crime does NOT pay"! cb
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By Shelley Voelkel (LBR27) (BonaireTalker - Post #33) on Friday, November 9, 2007 - 8:10 pm: |
I have been following this conversation since it began. I always worry about my renters leaving stuff laying around and becoming victims of senseless crimes.
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By Tad Jones (BonaireTalker - Post #41) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 10:39 am: |
Jan and Carole,
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #190) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 1:44 pm: |
There is only one way to decrease crime, and that is not through long draconian punishment. The USA is a good example of that.
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By Jerry (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7705) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 2:13 pm: |
Antony, if you provide a good education for the kids, what will they do with it on Bonaire?
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #191) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 2:28 pm: |
I agree Jerry but just because there is no outlet for skilled people, it doesn't mean that we should give up on the kids.
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By Tad Jones (BonaireTalker - Post #42) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 3:48 pm: |
Jerry and Antony?
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By Kevin W. Williams (Pink Beach Properties (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #425) on Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 4:44 pm: |
Actually, Tony, US punishments are far from draconian. Most infractions are plea-bargained, and most prisoners are released long before the maximum length of their term. Besides, we stopped using capital punishment for most felonies years ago, and I still believe that that was a serious mistake.
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By Tad Jones (BonaireTalker - Post #43) on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 9:19 am: |
Kevin,
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By Kevin W. Williams (Pink Beach Properties (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #426) on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 11:27 am: |
I think you got my point backwards, Tad. Many resorts have a primarily Dutch staff, frequently interns getting degrees in tourism. DEZA did a survey this summer of hotel jobs, and the interviewer let me know that I was very unusual: only one work permit for a foreigner (and she had lived on the island for 9 years, since she was 13) and no Dutch staff. In most hotels, the vast majority of the Bonairean and Latin staff work in cleaning and maintenance, and the management staff is Dutch.
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By Jan Klos - ( Hamlet Bonaire #10) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #556) on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 12:43 pm: |
Tad, There are schools that do teach those who want to further their education in the tourism arena. I know of a freinds daughter, who happens to be in Aruba at school. There are also other programs available to those who want to learn culinary arts. The problem with any resort area, even in the states, you grow up, get educated and can not afford to live in the place your were raised.
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By Marilyn M. (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #313) on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 7:13 pm: |
While on Bonaire, I spoke to many of the Bonairians I met about life growing up, the job prospects for their children, their educational needs, etc. as I also was born and grew up on the islands and have a brother, sister-in-law and niece on Aruba. Those I spoke to around my age (50's) had to be sent to Curacao to school after I believe 7th grade, if you were fortunate enough to have a relative to live with there. I also noticed the point Kevin made above and Jan. There are now many males and female professionals in Aruba now in all walks of life, but it was a long haul. Most had to be educated in Holland or the US and then didn't want to come back, as they had assimilated in their new surroundings. Now they are. Bonaire is lagging behind in educational and job opportunities. The parents didn't have many opportunities educationally, or job wise, but times are changing, slowly. In my work experience I found it well worth it to find someone with potential and train them. It's not easy, but worth it. While at Hoppner House, I was told of one young man who was at the Windsurfing School, because he wanted to learn to work at a place like that, because he loved it so much. It's a small step, but an important one. Think of the number of Bonairians who are Dive Masters/Instructors, windsurfing teachers, own their own shops? Not many, of any. I think we can encourage, where we know we can, without - I don't know - disloyalty?- to those whose services are enjoyed and used now. I got on my box again. Just don't kick it out from under me yet. I just got back and am full of hopeful ideas!
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By Jan Klos - ( Hamlet Bonaire #10) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #558) on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 8:47 pm: |
Thanks Marilyn for some insight. Please stay up there on your box!!
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By Jamie Meyer (BonaireTalker - Post #15) on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 9:27 pm: |
Well we spoke to the PD several times. They have recovered some dive watches, but not one matching ours. We have received our check from the insurance company. Only about $1200 short of buying a new watch.. Oh well, we plan to keep in contact with the PD in case of new developments, and of course in hopes of more stolen items being recovered. PS, Kathy, thanks for the info it helped.
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By Bill Thorpe, (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #269) on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 3:12 am: |
Having just been on the island, and talked to the local people about the issue of crime, I've come to the opinion that crime and punishment is viewed quite differently by Europeans.
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By seb (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3191) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 9:10 am: |
Bill, you mean because our US system works so well that we are the worlds largest prison state? Because our criminals leave jail fully integrated back into society?
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By Kevin W. Williams (Pink Beach Properties (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #433) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 10:26 am: |
Seb, just because my brakes don't work doesn't keep me from telling you that your tires are flat.
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By Eddy Veuger (BonaireTalker - Post #14) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 10:53 am: |
In many countries selling or transporting drugs is a capital offense, even that doesn't stop people from doing it.
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #496) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 10:58 am: |
Eddy, I just noticed we're almost neighbours :-)
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By Eddy Veuger (BonaireTalker - Post #15) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 11:02 am: |
Bob, you're right! Small world...even smaller diving community! Looks like our daughters aren't too far apart either, mine is 5!
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By Freddie (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9253) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 11:13 am: |
I sense a Mini Meet in the making.
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By Kevin W. Williams (Pink Beach Properties (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #434) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 11:17 am: |
Eddy,
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By Eddy Veuger (BonaireTalker - Post #16) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 11:22 am: |
[sarcastic mode] We can of course always go back to cutting their hands off.......[/sarcastic mode]
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #497) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 1:03 pm: |
Hi Eddy, yes on the picture our daughters aren't too far apart.
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By Bill Thorpe, (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #270) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 10:14 pm: |
Eddy
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By Jeff (BonaireTalker - Post #90) on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 10:59 pm: |
The Suadi's only cut your right hand off for the second offense. For cultural/hygienic reasons (lack of toilet paper) it is considered very impolite to hand a Saudi anything with you left hand. For the first offense you get to spend some time as their guest and your family will have to feed you because they won't.
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By Eddy Veuger (BonaireTalker - Post #17) on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 3:23 am: |
Hi Bob,
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By Ken Lincoln (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 6:36 pm: |
I think most of the bickering on this thread is about what most of the postings call petty crimes . They will become a lot more serious when someone wakes up in the middle of one of these petty crimes and takes matters into there own hands , rightfully so for what I would consider a home invasion, and kicks the crap out of one of these idiots or even kills one of them . Not so petty then hey?
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By seb (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3198) on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:59 pm: |
Everybody eventually gets out of jail. Proper planning for it is the job of government. Far from being a deterrent, I think long sentences tend to make criminals more dangerous and violent.
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By Jim McPeak (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1129) on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 9:56 pm: |
I do not own a weapon, even here in the suburbs of Philadelphia. However, if I were on Bonaire, and someone came into my room and woke me, I do not honestly know if I would show any restraint. I would also have someone lying next to me who means everything in the world to me. If I thought any harm was going to her, either he or I would be dead.
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By Ron Gould (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1193) on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:51 pm: |
To SURVIVE would be my reaction! If uninvited, I would be forced to bleed the intruder in his tracks! U.S.M.C.
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By Ken Lincoln (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #2) on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 6:32 pm: |
Seb , This is not about the I pod, camera or cash being stolen ;it is about this whole mess being called petty? One of these times this is going to happen to the person who will be threatened for there life and react as anyone in that situation should . Protect yourself and your family with any means possible . I dont think anyone even a U.S. citizen would be sent to jail for protecting themselves in self defense especially if you have been violated in the night by some unknown intruder. If you think that this is the case on Bonaire I believe we are all in a lot of trouble. Thanks for listening
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By Kevin W. Williams (Pink Beach Properties (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #441) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 2:15 am: |
The law here is pretty simple, Ken. If you hurt the person that is stealing from you, you get to go to jail too. Silly, yes, but it's the law.
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #499) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 3:46 am: |
I do not completely agree Kevin, assuming that the law on Bonaire is the same as the law in the Netherlands.
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #194) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 4:09 am: |
Bob.
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By Sandy & Wes Knepp (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #3) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 7:54 am: |
Anthony,
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By Sorrows (BonaireTalker - Post #86) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 10:15 am: |
Sure, let's start arming residents and tourists alike--that will make everybody MUCH safer. While we're at it, let's have people carry their guns into restaurants, bars, and shops like they do in so many American states. And don't forget to carry one in your car! That way you can blast the guy who steals your flip-flops!
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #500) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 10:50 am: |
Antony, I just reread your post. Dos it really say that you went on vacation for 2 weeks and stayed 2 for 2 years? (Or did you return later)
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #195) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 10:52 am: |
As a Brit, I am used to living in a country where firearms are illegal and that suits me fine.
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #196) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 10:58 am: |
Bob.
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By Bill Thorpe, (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #274) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 11:26 am: |
Antony
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #197) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 11:48 am: |
Bill.
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By Thom Wright (BonaireTalker - Post #17) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 11:50 am: |
Several of you seem to have a distorted view of the US.
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #198) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 12:07 pm: |
Thom.
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By George Purcell (BonaireTalker - Post #21) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 12:29 pm: |
Anthony, the fact is that property crime rates in the UK are higher than those in the US. The disarmed population over there--as well as a lack of adequate punishment--plays a role in this difference.
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By Thom Wright (BonaireTalker - Post #18) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 12:40 pm: |
Antony, you say you don't have a distorted view of the US.
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #199) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 12:49 pm: |
George.
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By George Purcell (BonaireTalker - Post #22) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 2:01 pm: |
Property crime rates by nation:
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By Bill Thorpe, (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #275) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 2:04 pm: |
Antony
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #501) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 3:00 pm: |
George,
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #502) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 3:09 pm: |
I'm not sure how reliable these statistics are:
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #503) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 3:15 pm: |
And if you do believe the statistics, beware:
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By Sorrows (BonaireTalker - Post #87) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 6:17 pm: |
Thom, you wrote:
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By Kobi in Virginia * (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2852) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 7:33 pm: |
Here in MY Virginia we have restaurants and we have lots of bars; h*ll we even have a saloon! I'm a pistol packing, NRA supporting woman in VIRGINIA. Stand up next time you're talking so I can hear you better!
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By Sorrows (BonaireTalker - Post #88) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 10:39 pm: |
Kobi, all those bars and even that saloon are required by Commonwealth law to serve food; it's also required that a certain amount of their profits come from the sale of food. That is why I say we have no bars in Virginia, only restaurants that serve alcohol. I admit, sometimes the food they serve is questionable, but they do have to serve some sort of sustenance to go along with the alcohol.
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By seb (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3203) on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 11:16 pm: |
It used to be that a restaurant in VA had to have half it's receipts in food for the first three years, and a lesser percentage thereafter. Unless the laws have changed, Sorrows is correct, there are no bars in Virginia, only restaurants that serve alcohol.
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By Bill Thorpe, (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #276) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:00 am: |
Hey seb
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By Bill Thorpe, (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #277) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:18 am: |
Sorrow
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By Jeff (BonaireTalker - Post #93) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 1:07 am: |
"It is a sad state of affairs when ones personal security and safety can only be assured based on who is quicker on the trigger."
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #200) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 6:33 am: |
Bill.
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #201) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 6:42 am: |
Jeff.
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By Kobi in Virginia * (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2855) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 7:43 am: |
"Virginia is, however, the leader in providing guns to criminals in the United States, an achievement the Old Dominion can surely be proud of. From the Cradle of the Presidency to the Cradle of Criminals."
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By Bill Thorpe, (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #278) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 9:59 am: |
Antony
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By Tribs visiting Becky in January! (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #5128) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 10:07 am: |
MODERATORS!!!! Please lock this thread. It is way off topic and is getting way out of hand.
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By Eddy Veuger (BonaireTalker - Post #22) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 10:14 am: |
Being the topic starter I have to agree with Tribs.
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By Thom Wright (BonaireTalker - Post #20) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 10:20 am: |
Moderators, please don't lock this.
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By Kobi in Virginia * (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2859) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 10:53 am: |
Eddy, it's OK.
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #202) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 11:28 am: |
Bill.
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By Debbie Babcock (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6400) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 11:36 am: |
I believe the question here is: Should politics be allowed on Bonaire Talk? I have not read one thread here on BT about politics that hasn't caused hurt feelings for someone. No, I don't have rose colored glasses on, I am looking at this clear eyed and Bonaire Talk is not a political forum, there are websites out there for folks to discuss politics. I believe there has to be a line drawn at some point when discussions turn to politics. Much too heated a topic to discuss on BT IMHO and should be banned. There is a time and a place for everything and I don't think BT was created for political issues. M2Cents.
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By Tad Jones (BonaireTalker - Post #46) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:03 pm: |
Everyone else has put in their 2 cents worth so......
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By Sorrows (BonaireTalker - Post #89) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:08 pm: |
Antony, I swore I wasn't going to come back to this thread, but...I would like to remind you and all our other European friends that not ALL Americans voted for the village idiot. As a matter of fact, the majority did not.
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By Angie Ohlson (BonaireTalker - Post #47) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:18 pm: |
Now that most have said "their" political peace.... I would like to know what happened to those they caught - released??? shipped off to Curacao/Aruba??? Let's get off the world domination discussion - BT is for those that have a love and respect for Bonaire - so people let's do that.. Again, my father always told me "Opinions are like ah's everyone has one, some are just bigger than others"...
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #203) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:20 pm: |
Sorrows.
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By Debbie Babcock (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6402) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:52 pm: |
I am personally so sick of this thread! Someone, please put it out of it's misery!!!
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By seb (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3204) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 1:33 pm: |
People kill people using guns. Usually they kill someone they know. If we are talking facts, the gun in your house is many times more likely to harm a family member than to defend the home. Frankly, armed homeowners without any conflict training are not likely to come out ahead in a gun battle.
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By Tad Jones (BonaireTalker - Post #47) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 1:50 pm: |
Anthony,
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By Debbie Babcock (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6403) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 1:54 pm: |
Seb, thanks for the reply, I don't agree that everything is politics, but hey, I don't agree with alot of what's going on in this world today. And Jesus would not have a gun as they were not made yet in that time era. Sorry to be anal on that one, couldn't resist as I don't understand what Jesus has to do with what I said or anyone said. I am not a religious freak either.
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #504) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 2:09 pm: |
Seb, tx for the statistics.
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By Mare (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #36) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 2:14 pm: |
Those that wish to continue may do so with each other privately as this thread is now closed.
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