By mick dunham (BonaireTalker - Post #13) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 8:37 am: |
So as to comply with Bonairetalk posting guidelines I will not go into too much detail regarding my complaint relating to the Management of the Capt. Don's dive operation. I will also refrain from using "hearsay" and make no direct mention of the bad language etc. I feel strongly enough however to have made detailed complaints to STINAPA, PADI, Captain Don's, Duiker Magazine (NL) and Diver magazine (UK)including photographic evidence of dangerous equipment rented to guests.
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By Menno (BonaireTalker - Post #97) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
Hi Mick,
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By seb (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2852) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
Mike, I can find nothing in our posting rules that prohibit you from posting details about your experience as long as you are using your actual name. If you would care to elaborate, or post the pictures you mention, you may do so.
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By mick dunham (BonaireTalker - Post #14) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 2:58 pm: |
Although I appreciate this operation is not a "democracy" the conflict of interest remains. If a Venezuelan/Cuban staff member told me to "f you" how long would they stay there? Do you think that Jack will fire Chris for that? Will he fire his wife for telling my wife "I hope you come back to Bonaire, just not here" and "Buddy dive is a good place to stay"? I guess not! Everybody in the resort was well aware of what happened and I guess my threat to "knock you out" went right round the Island in no time. Threatening behaviour is never acceptable, I have no excuse. I do feel however that I was pushed beyond any normal limits and the "hell", as you call it, was paid. TEXT REMOVED BY MODERATOR
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1581) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 4:14 pm: |
How many times did you lay on the reef? That's the only thing I can imagine that would get Chris to be rude to anyone.
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By Jerry Gauron (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1107) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 4:47 pm: |
It might be smart for the rest of us to just sit on the sidelines until Jacks responds. If and when?
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1582) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 5:00 pm: |
I'd be interested in seeing the photos (unaltered, I expect) and perhaps hearing about the situation. As I said, the only time I've ever seen Chris lose his temper with any guests was when he had to drag them off the reef multiple times. As is his duty, by the way. There are a lot of people who think buying the dive package gives them carte-blanche to do whatever they want - I've seen it myself.
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By Geoffrey (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #170) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 5:13 pm: |
I have been going to Capt Don's for just shy of a decade. I've known Jack, Karen and Chris very well. Their integrity is without question. I would have to say that any diver who is bashing into the reef, damaging coral, or molesting the marine park could well expect some very strong words from Chris. Jack would manage more diplomacy since he is an older and wiser head but, when "push came to shove", Jack would be as unyielding on core issue of Reef care.
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By Sandy Ruffin (BonaireTalker - Post #24) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 5:48 pm: |
I have a valid question. Why are some "assuming" that Mick and his wife were "laying all over the reef" and/or "damaging the reef"?
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By bob (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1630) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 6:03 pm: |
ok...so i've gotten in a fight with everyone else i encountered today...
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1583) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 7:08 pm: |
I'm assuming it from years of visiting and dealing with Chris. He's about the most laid back person you'll ever meet - until someone (usually with a camera) drapes themselves all over the coral. I've seen him pull many people off the coral and still keep his temper... unless he has to do it every dive, and they express no remorse about their actions.
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By Walt III - www.RecTekScuba.com (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #287) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 7:19 pm: |
One of the dumb things he did was hit a Habitat staffs car and try to drive away. As in Hit and Run. After being at the Bar watching a World Cup game. This is where Chris the staff member whose car was hit and and he got in to it.
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By Sandy Ruffin (BonaireTalker - Post #25) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 7:58 pm: |
Ladies and Gentlemen---------PLEASE!
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1584) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 8:32 pm: |
Sandy,
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1585) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 8:42 pm: |
By the way... in no way have I been uncivil and I resent your saying I have.
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By Sandy Ruffin (BonaireTalker - Post #26) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 9:02 pm: |
Susan:
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By Walt III - www.RecTekScuba.com (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #288) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 9:06 pm: |
Sorry I missed 3 words on the previous post Chris's car was not the one that was hit it was another staff members car.
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1586) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 9:37 pm: |
Sandy,
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By Timmmmmy (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1720) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 9:47 pm: |
Geoffrey - Why would you want to direct someone to damage our Florida reefs...I don't get it man...we try to protect all the reefs of the world!!!!
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #660) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 9:50 pm: |
I stand with Sandy on this. Over on the last crime thread I was referred to as a "troll" when I disagreed with a negative Bonaire post from someone who hadn't even been to the island yet. You post something negative here, don't start whining when someone disagree's with it - especially when it is someone who has expirience with subject being discussed.
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1587) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 11:23 pm: |
I don't really know what you're talking about, Marcus. Who's whining?
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By Geoffrey (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #171) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 11:30 pm: |
I was not really directing someone to damage florida reefs only that I think they would meet with less resistance to it than on Bonaire. I appologize to Florida for sending yet another miserable, uncaring tourist to your shores.
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By Geoffrey (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #172) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 11:49 pm: |
Sandy,
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By Sandy Ruffin (BonaireTalker - Post #27) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 12:17 am: |
Geoffrey:
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By rick lesser (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 12:58 am: |
This is Rick Lesser- also my first posting on any chat board anywhere. I make it because I was standing in the lot behind the Capt Don's dive shop preparing to go with my family on a town pier dive (with Chris and Jenny) when Mr Dunham got into his truck and backed it into the truck parked across the lot behind him. Chris' comment was "We'll drive for you if you like", and that produced Dunham's profanity laden tirade about how he would beat the **** out of Chris. I heard no response from Chris, but my son Ricky was closer and perhaps heard more, though I really do not think there was a retort. I do not know whether Dunham had just come from the bar so to I will not impute anything in that regard, but I also was there (as was he) when England lost earlier that day in World Cup competition, and I think he took it much harder than I did (although I was wearing my England jersey at the time). I will also not comment as to the specifics of Dunham's other complaints as I was not directly involved. However, several others (guests and staff) witnessed the truck incident and their recollections are identical to mine. It is also significant that Dunham's complaint initially denied the auto accident, and further claimed the profanity was first directed at him by Chris, but it was completely the other way around. I also recall Jack Chalk was off island that day, but I am certain he will respond appropriately as to the other allegations.
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By James Thomas (BonaireTalker - Post #63) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 1:29 am: |
Come on, admit it!!!! It gets fairly dull just hearing good stuff about Bonaire, I seem to observe the fact that most of you folks really get a kick out of this type thread. If not a I love Captain Dons, sorry you had a bad experience would be nuf said.
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By Brian (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1626) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 5:04 am: |
Rick - Welcome to BT.
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1588) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 8:34 am: |
Rick,
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By Menno (BonaireTalker - Post #98) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 9:03 am: |
Personally I do not agree that yelling at guests should can be tolerated at any time. For sure it will not bring you the result you want.
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1589) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 9:09 am: |
Menno - of course you are right: they should not yell at the diver - though I think it's quite understandable if they do: people who do not respect the reef endanger their livelihood. I can understand a divemaster losing his temper, though - and I probably would cheer him on. But that's just me.
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By Mod Seb (Moderator - Post #52) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 9:22 am: |
Good Morning folks.
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #661) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 9:34 am: |
Susan: My comment was meant to be a general statement. It was not intended for you specifically.
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By Sandy Ruffin (BonaireTalker - Post #28) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 9:47 am: |
Susan:
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By Louise Perot (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 10:04 am: |
Hi All,
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By Bruce Wallace (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #180) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth.
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By Mod Seb (Moderator - Post #53) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 10:31 am: |
Louise, welcome to BT. I thought I made it pretty clear that when Mick failed to include the fact that he backed his truck into another vehicle at the resort, he lost all credibility. Mick turned himself into a villain by withholding pertinent information that cast him in a bad light. Frankly, when you back into a stationary vehicle, you have made yourself an object of ridicule, you should be sheepish rather than belligerent, and take your lumps like a man (or woman). One moving vehicle = one at fault driver.
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By Louise Perot (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #2) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
Thanks, I have read the rules now.
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By Brian (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1627) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 11:42 am: |
Louise
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By Brian (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1628) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 11:43 am: |
Oops and welcome to BT - again.
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #662) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 11:56 am: |
Just because someone is questioning Mick's post does not mean they are trying to turn him into a villian. Failure to question Mick's post, if that's what one really feels, falls into the political correctness category in my opinion. Mick's post could be complete B.S. for all we know. It is the right thing, in my judgement, for those with positive expiriences at CPT Don's to say that in rebuttal. To do otherwise would leave those with no Bonaire expirience with just one opinion of CPT Don's and would greatly reduce the value of Bonaire Talk as a forum on Bonaire.
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By Louise Perot (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #3) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 12:10 pm: |
Dear Brian,
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By Brian (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1630) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 12:49 pm: |
I doubt anyone would have bothered if there was not any damage.
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By Louise Perot (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #4) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 1:01 pm: |
Brian, you and I have just noticed the same detail but both come to a different conclusions.... I will admit, I watch too many detective shows on telly:-)
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1590) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 2:21 pm: |
Jaysus, Sandy: this is NOT a place where we have to walk around on eggshells in order to not offend anyone.
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By Brian (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1631) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
Louise or who ever you are, I can't see why you have such an interest unless you are a participant/witness in what happened.
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By Jerry Gauron (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1119) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 3:03 pm: |
Brian, one has to wonder about the "new-be's"?
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By Brian (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1632) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 4:16 pm: |
Hi Jerry
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By Vince DePietro (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #378) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 4:26 pm: |
Susan..great posting.. I agree with your sentiment 100 per cent. We all have a right to our opinion (no matter how wrong that may appear to be), but personally what really gets me is when others try to lecture you or pontificate on the correct manners & protocol on HOW to post.
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By Sandy Ruffin (BonaireTalker - Post #30) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 4:34 pm: |
Susan:
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1591) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 4:42 pm: |
Sandy,
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By marge karalis (BonaireTalker - Post #74) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 4:46 pm: |
amen
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By Freddie (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7571) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 5:08 pm: |
check please!!!
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By I'll be there in two weeks!! (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4402) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 5:43 pm: |
Susan, you said what I was going to say, that a LOT of BTers have met face to face and some have had disagreements and some have made lifelong friendships. Susan is very opinionated but that's NOT a bad thing! I am opinionated also (which is why we are friends....lol) and when someone bashes someone or something that I have personal knowledge of to the contrary, I feel a need to speak up.
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #663) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 6:34 pm: |
Don't forget your spare O-Rings!
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By Louise Perot (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #5) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 6:51 pm: |
OK, that is it for me. Too much "old boys club" going on here...
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By ...boom dee ay (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1864) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 6:56 pm: |
I couldn't resist (hee hee)
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By Tribs Loves Bonaire (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2866) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 7:11 pm: |
Boom...BRAVO!
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By ...boom dee ay (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1865) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 7:49 pm: |
Louise & Sandy - I'll not get in a tit-for-tat with you privately - I respect this open forum and look forward to differing points of view.
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By I'll be there in two weeks!! (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4404) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 8:18 pm: |
Thank you for saying that Boom about the PM's. I agree with you and I also prefer not to discuss this via private email. Anything that can be said to me in a private email, feel free to post it. Thanks!!
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By ...boom dee ay (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1869) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 8:49 pm: |
Well, a point was made that posting on these boards can give someone the feeling of anonymity, which is true. I could be anyone or anything... I could work for Capt Don for all you know (except that you've met me ).
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By Mod Seb (Moderator - Post #54) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 11:32 pm: |
Howdy again folks! Louise and the other new talkers, what you may not realize is that the messages on this board are saved for all time, and are internet searchable. This tends to make partisans hypersensitive to slurs against their island and/or favorite resort. It is a testament to the attraction of the island that it inspires such strong feelings. I have been to Bonaire many times, but my first trip I vowed never to return. So we live and learn. Please don't go away in response to passionate posters!
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By Louise Perot (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #6) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:27 am: |
http://www.bmp.org/html/diving_bonaire.html
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By Brian (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1633) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:28 am: |
Mick has turned up on a UK message board as well.
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By Jon (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #137) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 10:47 am: |
Is this horse dead yet? Can we please stop beating it?
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By ...boom dee ay (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1876) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 11:10 am: |
Interesting.... thank you for posting the link Brian. Seems like the same bs just a different venue.
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By Denise Kacavas (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1245) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 11:23 am: |
regarding ... 'they just never tell you'
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By Cheryll Stevens (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 12:06 pm: |
I'm new to this board, and while I don't know what the whole issue was with Mick, I have to agree with his opinion on the dive operation, at least from our own experience. My husband and I went to Bonaire, stayed at Capt. Don's and dove with them. We will never again go back to that resort as long as the diver operator is the same.
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By ...boom dee ay (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1882) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 12:38 pm: |
See, that's what I was talking about... a specific thorough account. Thank you Cheryll for posting in such a matter-of-factual manner.
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By Tom Cousino (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #26) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 1:22 pm: |
Folks, I encourage all people to review our rules of posting and comply.
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By jos van osnabrugge (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2233) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 4:26 pm: |
Tom (friend , buddy) , let me try to put my 2 euro cents worth of response to all of this mayhem , ... without getting kicked of the board , friend buddy.(and I REALLY do apologize for "caps-lock" shouting)
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By Dr. Director (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #234) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 8:54 pm: |
Tom,
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By Freddie (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7579) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:00 pm: |
Sir, that is in fact the first time that you have used your first name... Welcome Mark....
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By Tom (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3310) on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 9:36 pm: |
Jos, my friend your "rant" was polite which is exactly what I have come to expect from you. I too try to extend to and expect to receive from others the courtesies you mentioned. In my opinion honesty is the most important, the foundation that everything else is built upon. Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper.
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By Louise Perot (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #7) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 5:03 am: |
To the moderators.
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By seb (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2857) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 9:17 am: |
To Louise: To answer your question, because nobody filed a crime report on "the this board" about Mick's allegedly incompetent driving, and Mick denies the incident ever happened, even though we have an independent eyewitness.
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By Tom Cousino (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #27) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 9:42 am: |
Good question Seb!
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By Louise Perot (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #8) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
I have no relationship with anyone on this thread and take offense in your insinuation sir.
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By Louise Perot (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #9) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:08 am: |
....though I must add that the controversy is the exact reason I keep visiting Bonaire talk. The gossip and the intrigues....
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By Tom Cousino (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #28) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:12 am: |
Louise, so sad you took offense to Seb's and my curiosity. It just seems odd that both you and Mick have the same I.P. address. You might want to call the local police, it seems that Mick has been sneaking into your house or office and using your computer while you were away. Or, should Mr. Dunham be the one whose computer is being hijacked?
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By seb (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2858) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:23 am: |
Come on, Louise, confess! And you wonder why the users are wary when convenient posters like you pop up. You wouldn't be Louise Perot DUNHAM , would you? Or maybe you're Mick, getting in touch with his feminine side.
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By Jerry Gauron (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1123) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:23 am: |
Good job detective Tom.
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By Tribs Loves Bonaire (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2883) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:25 am: |
Louise...I would be careful when you make accusations about this forum being a good old boys club. That statement is fraught with excessively negative baggage and is just an inaccurate portrayal of this board. For one, I'm a woman and I am allowed to voice my opinion. The list goes on from there. I just hate it when people use analogies that do not apply.
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By Tribs Loves Bonaire (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2884) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:28 am: |
Well...I guess none of my comments were needed and it is too late to edit my post. Oh well. Good job moderators! Shame on you Mr. Same ISP.
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By ...boom dee ay (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1887) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:51 am: |
Awesome Job Tom!
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By seb (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2859) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:53 am: |
No problem Jeanine, the information in your post is not diminished by the prevaricators. Your explanation of how to properly post a report is excellent, and you address "Louise's" sexist, perjorative depiction of BT as being "old boy's club" admirably.
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By I'll be there in two weeks!! (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4408) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
Shame on you, indeed. Now have the guts to come forward and tell us you lied to us all. Seems we were right in our skepticism. Ain't my first run around the BT track. ;)
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By Debbie Babcock (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3885) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:05 am: |
Thank you, Tom and Seb!
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1592) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:08 am: |
The second time my husband and I came to Bonaire together (he'd been a number of times before we met), we arrived with our stuff in these unwieldy Pelican cases that were heavy and didn't roll very well. We arrived in the afternoon (an AJ flight) were hot, tired, and just wanted to get to our room.
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By Jerry Gauron (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1125) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
It does seem the Bonaire Bashers try to pull this off every now and thin. But now we all know that we do "have to pay attention to that man / woman behind the curtain".
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By Tim Metzler (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #6) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 3:36 pm: |
I'm happy to see that mick's ip address was quietly removed from Tom's post. Posting his ip address was uncalled for, it would have been sufficient to post that both users were coming from the same ip address, instead of actually posting it.
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By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #5711) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:25 pm: |
Years ago we had someone who was posting multiple "arguments" with himself on one thread by using different names but I noticed it all lead back to the same single party...this was a heated discussion over time-shares on Bonaire and the possibility of having one particular project built.....he was "outted" and did not return to the board.
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By Jon (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #142) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:08 am: |
Will youse guys please stop kicking this dead mule.
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1608) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:40 am: |
"Youse"? Is that like "louse" ?
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By Kelly (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4424) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 9:10 am: |
Susan and Jon, I prefer "Yutes" like from the movie My Cousin Vinnie.. lol
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1609) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 9:12 am: |
Oh, I LOVE that movie!!
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By Brian (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1635) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
I think I have to protest on behalf of the Mule.
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By Ron Edison (BonaireTalker - Post #93) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:23 am: |
Now THIS is entertainment. Who needs reality TV?
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By WaldoDonkey (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:42 pm: |
First let me bray that I resent being referred to as a mule....I am a Bonairean Donkey and darn proud too.
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By WaldoDonkey (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #2) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:44 pm: |
I hope I will not be castigated on my first post. I have about had it with the C word today.
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By Mod Seb (Moderator - Post #55) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:04 pm: |
This thread has caused enough trouble already, I am closing it now.
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