By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7154) on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 7:25 pm: |
Sean Paton, Bruce Davison and another expert have produced a new video clip about the continued dumping onto Bonaire's land. Please take a moment to watch the video clip as this is so important that everyone grasp what is continuing to occur and the permanent damage it will wreak on the land, the water tables and the reef. Thanks for caring.
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By a retired Grunt (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #899) on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 8:02 pm: |
As the old saying goes, that stuff really does flow downhill. Too sad. Will the usual nothing continue to be done?
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By eddie blizzard (BonaireTalker - Post #65) on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 2:57 am: |
Thanks for caring.
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By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7156) on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 10:43 am: |
So glad you were able to get a good laugh out of the post.
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #748) on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 11:28 am: |
And here is part 2
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By *Freddie* (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #13232) on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 12:13 pm: |
Hi Carole, Please do not feed the troll
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By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7159) on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 12:30 pm: |
Didn't realize he was a troll until after you posted your note onto Eddie's additoinal post thread about the FW....let him troll on his own....
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #563) on Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 5:59 am: |
I am truly appalled at what is happening to 'my' little island.
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #217) on Monday, November 23, 2009 - 3:39 pm: |
It seems like using reason with Bonaire's politicians and other officials has not resulted in any action. Over and over they promise to stop the Freewinds from coming to Bonaire and to stop the dumping of the Freewinds , and nothing happens as evidenced once again by this video.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #47) on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 12:36 pm: |
I know that most everyone here hates cruise ships in general, Freewinds in particular.
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1180) on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 2:57 pm: |
What about dumping on much higher ground?
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #219) on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 4:49 pm: |
Tom, Did you know it is illegal for a ship to dump its sewage on an island where there is no sewage processing? This is why STINAPA and the government of Bonaire should stop any dumping by the Freewinds. The fact that it is not being stopped suggests to me anyway that someone is getting paid off.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #48) on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 5:08 pm: |
Pauline-
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #220) on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 5:43 pm: |
Tom, I think the Freewinds situation offers a perfect political opportunity to publicize the total sewage problem on Bonaire, even though their dumping may be "small potatoes". Here right in broad daylight (well actually in nightlight) is a ship dumping poo on the island that markets itself as green, ecotourist, pristine, leading by example, etc. Most people will be disgusted by the imagery and appalled by the hypocrisy.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #49) on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 1:30 am: |
Good wishes from me to publicizez the issue.
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By MadMan (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #215) on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 2:43 am: |
i can still remember the years that someone would go to the toilet at the Zeezicht restaurant and when they "flushed" you could see the bubbles out in the sea. The same happened at all the resorts of that era. We have come a long way since that. Slowly but surely we will solve these problems. I'm going back to lurking but had to react to the dumb accusations that i see each time that the topic is Freewinds. Have you people seen money being passed under the table. I know not everything is perfect on Bonaire. And it is alway assumed that everybody can be bought and is paid for. But still where does most of the #### come from. I think a lot more is coming from the divers etc. staying in newly build apartments on the sea side, who are much larger in number than the few that come on the Freewinds. The Bonaire Gov. Council is working on a solution, maybe in the meantime we should prohibit people staying in these new apartments?? Makes more sense to me than losing time and protesting the Freewinds
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By Vince DePietro-www.bonairebeachcondo.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2603) on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 6:50 am: |
quote[I think a lot more is coming from the divers etc. staying in newly build apartments on the sea side, who are much larger in number than the few that come on the Freewinds. ]
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By Will Brown (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #150) on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 8:46 am: |
Hi Vince,
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By Vince DePietro-www.bonairebeachcondo.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2604) on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 12:37 pm: |
Hi Will... The house next store is at a higher elevation than the beach. It is a discharge pipe connected to a drain to divert rainwater. Nothing more dramatic than that.
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By MadMan (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #216) on Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 10:18 am: |
And vince where does the juice that come's out of those well build "beerput's" go. As far as i know all juice goes to the same place and causes problems.
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By Vince DePietro-www.bonairebeachcondo.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2605) on Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 11:38 am: |
MM: Let's not obfuscate. I (and many others) am totally against the anachronistic practice of "beerputs" which were used in the OLDER dwellings on Bonaire which seeped effluent directly into the sea and adjacent area. What I objected to was your statement pertaining those who stay "in newly built apartments on the seaside".
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By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7166) on Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 10:57 pm: |
Bonaire needs waste water treatment plant(s) now as well as a formal system to manage the solid waste.
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By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7168) on Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 11:06 pm: |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EihWrfOIj1g&feature=channel
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #50) on Friday, November 27, 2009 - 9:30 pm: |
There may be an issue that Bonaire has not approved the "Municipality" option to unite with Holland that was approved by the Island Council some time ago and has caused the Dutch to spend considerable money in Bonaire.
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By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7172) on Friday, November 27, 2009 - 9:34 pm: |
I was hoping someone might have responded to your post by now, Tom....anyone out there who has knowledge, information, insight or the inside scoop on the status of theses projects between the people of Bonaire, BES and the Dutch?
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #566) on Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 5:16 am: |
Talking to Dutch people who live in the Netherlands, I get the impression that the Antilles are a burden that they would rather walk away from unless they can control the islands.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #51) on Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 2:10 pm: |
I don't want to hijack this thread into a political discussion but the attitude of the Dutch as described by Antony coupled with a feeling of entitlement by islanders made asking the question: "How does this affect the treatment plant?" a no brainer.
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #222) on Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 5:44 pm: |
Tom and Carole, the last we heard (this was in mid-October), was that the papers had been signed and the treatment plant was supposedly on its way and going to be operational before the cruise ship season (December). Whether that is still on target, given the chaotic politics of the new referendum, etc., is something that needs to be asked. Carole, perhaps Sean knows something?
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By eddie blizzard (BonaireTalker - Post #67) on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 4:40 am: |
It sounds like the Dutch are mad at themselves for treating Bonaire as an equal rather than as an asset.
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #569) on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 5:35 am: |
Eddie.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #52) on Tuesday, December 8, 2009 - 4:56 pm: |
How little this forum knows about what is happening on Bonaire. No one has answered my question yet.
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By Bart Snelder (BonaireTalker - Post #66) on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 - 9:07 am: |
Feel free to read yesterdays edition of the amigoe
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #53) on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 - 11:33 am: |
How do I read the "amigoe"?
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By Vince DePietro-www.bonairebeachcondo.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2626) on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 - 11:58 am: |
Tom..See this link..
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #841) on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 - 12:57 pm: |
Bonaire was offically Dutch since 1633 - with 2 short periods it belonged to Britain 1800 -1803 and 1807-1815 - and that was the period when all the hard wood trees were sold for ship building to an US ship builder ....
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #54) on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 - 5:32 pm: |
I can't read yesterday's edition of the amigoe, only todays.
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #224) on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 - 6:33 pm: |
Yes, Tom, the promises have been going on for years now--don't worry, they say, the plant will come in May of 2009; then, the plant will come in October 2009 before the busy cruise season; now it will come in April 2010. Three years ago, marine biologist Brian La Pointe said Bonaire's reefs were "at the point of no return." THREE YEARS AGO! When renowned marine biologist Sylvia Earle visited Bonaire in August, ironically to receive an environmental award from the Bonairean and Dutch governments, she was shocked by the poor state of Bonaire's reefs.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #55) on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 - 7:43 pm: |
The problem Pauline is NO PROOF.
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By a retired Grunt (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #904) on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 - 9:39 pm: |
Will we, after the fact of the reefs being completely dead, have plenty of time to look back and discover "why"?
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By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3136) on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 12:41 am: |
As always in politics, as with so much else in our lives, follow the money: consider the difference to local Bonaire politicians who are in office between 'association' (i.e, Dutch oversight) as chosen by the referendum and 'independence' (sort of like free lunch).
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #225) on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 9:49 am: |
Glen is absolutely right. The politicians, like Nicolaas, who are wanting to overturn the will of the Bonairean people in the last referendum to have direct ties with Holland, are interested only in their own pockets, particularly in non-stop development on Bonaire with no restrictions from Dutch laws, regulations, etc. It is all about $$$$$$$$$$ for their personal agendas.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #56) on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 12:58 pm: |
Glen is absolutely right. In fact you can count on most people to do what's right for themselves. That's why we need to show the voting population of Bonaire that's it in their own selfish interest to save the reefs.
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By eddie blizzard (BonaireTalker - Post #68) on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 6:15 pm: |
Glen is absolutely right. In fact you can count on most people to do what's right for themselves. That's why we need to show the voting population of Bonaire that's it in their own selfish interest to save the reefs.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #57) on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 7:50 pm: |
Well for me STEP 1 is PROOF.
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By eddie blizzard (BonaireTalker - Post #69) on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 7:59 pm: |
Maybe. But then again maybe something else has gotten their attention as far as long term profit goes.
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By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3137) on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 9:11 pm: |
'The locals' understood the overall politics well enough to vote as they did in the referendum and in electing Nicolaas based on the party affiliation he proclaimed. The general population is not the problem, rather the vested interests which are trying to overthrow 'the will of the people'. Think Venezuela and hope for another Honduras on Bonaire.
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #843) on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 9:20 pm: |
Thank you Glen
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #578) on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 5:44 am: |
Glen speaks a lot of sense.
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #845) on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 8:26 am: |
Anthony, your comments are certainly not helpful at all....
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #579) on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 10:13 am: |
I think that you miss my point Brigitte.
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #846) on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 11:38 am: |
Anthony, I think you still dont understand.
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #580) on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 12:41 pm: |
The financial support of the Netherlands is huge when all is taken into consideration.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #58) on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 12:49 pm: |
Hmmm.........
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #226) on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 1:13 pm: |
yes, Tom, I am often wondered why the dive operators are not pounding down the doors of the tourist board, the governor, etc. given that their businesses could all go under once it becomes common knowledge that Bonaire's reefs are no better than St. John's or Cozumel's or the BVI, with airfares costing much less.
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #847) on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 1:19 pm: |
Surinam did not go autonomous but independant , that is quite a difference ! Suriname is not part of the Kingdom, Aruba still is and so are the NA.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #59) on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 2:56 pm: |
Pauline-
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By Lizard0924 (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #366) on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 3:00 pm: |
"once it becomes common knowledge that Bonaire's reefs are no better than St. John's or Cozumel's or the BVI, with airfares costing much less."
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #581) on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 6:15 am: |
Tom.
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #60) on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 1:59 pm: |
Antony-
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By eddie blizzard (BonaireTalker - Post #70) on Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 4:54 pm: |
Bonaire doesn't want too save the reefs. Get over it. If by some miracle they start to come back as a result of any activity on the island Bonaire will claim it was their intent but I don't think that is going to happen.
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