By WuWeiProf * (BonaireTalker - Post #54) on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 5:55 pm: |
Sorry for be so long in posting - just now getting around to going through our photos from our March 2009 trip...
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #170) on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 11:11 am: |
Wu Wei Prof, You have managed to photograph evidence of one of many examples of wastewater being discharged into the sea by shoreline properties and causing the rapid decline in Bonaire's reefs. This is why two years ago marine biologist Brian La Pointe said, if such leaking, seepage, and discharge wasn't stopped immediately Bonaire's reefs would be at the "point of no return." And in August 2008, Marine Park Manager Ramon de Leon issued a statement contending that without immediate trucking of sewage and cessation of discharge into the sea, Bonaire's reefs would be dead by 2011!
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By a retired Grunt, back May 3rd (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #796) on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 11:36 am: |
Those location shown in those pics appears to be adjacent to the Buddy Dive bar and swim up pool area. Any idea what the discharge consisted of?
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By Mel Briscoe (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #455) on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 5:07 pm: |
I wouldn't jump to a lot conclusions without a lot more evidence than a picture that might well be just runoff from filling the nearby pool. It is presumptuous to label this as evidence of pollution and to call for public shaming. In fact, it is darn near libelous.
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By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3005) on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 5:58 pm: |
It appears that it would have been easy enough to walk a few feet along the properties from Sand Dollar to the flow site and find out where the liquid was coming from and what it was. Was that done before the posting above about 'effluent' and reef damage??
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By WuWeiProf * (BonaireTalker - Post #55) on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 7:06 pm: |
Retired Grunt - I don't know what this is. This outflow happened several times during our weeklong stay. I will post a photo I thought I had posted with my original post - the presence of that pipe and the repetitive discharge is what gave me pause...as well as the discoloration of the coral (notice the browning) and a fairly substantial number of crabs crawling around...
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By Vince DePietro-www.bonairebeachcondo.com (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2145) on Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 6:34 am: |
WWF..Thanks for your posting & concern, but before we all jump to conclusions here, I suspect this is just a simple drain hole funneling rainwater which falls on the upper surface walk area. That's my guess. Nothing more malevolent than that. To label this as "effluent" when nothing is known about it is incitement at best. I seriously doubt the folks at Buddy Dive would allow anything else on such an open & obvious discharge funnel.
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #171) on Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 11:15 am: |
FYI everyone, "wastewater" includes run-off from streets and walkways where all kinds of pollutants (oil, etc.) can become part of the stream.
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By Cecil* (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7510) on Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 11:40 am: |
Pauline, not to be snarkey but what would you propose we do with street runnoff? Yes I know it's nasty but I do not know of any good system to handle this. In Boston the storm drains flow into the sewage system where it is treated before discharge, great idea, not. Every time they get a big rain the system overflows and the nasty street runoff mixes with the really nasty sewage and it all ends up in Boston harbor.
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By Mel Briscoe (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #456) on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 3:41 pm: |
Since I've been a guest of Buddy Dive for over a decade, I thought I'd do a little snooping to find out about the "effluent" shown in the pictures. In fact, it is saltwater that is part of the desalinization plant that BD has...they make their own fresh water there, and the excess salt water that is pumped up is sent back to the sea. It may have extra salt in it -- I don't know -- but STINAPA makes daily checks of resort effluent to the ocean, and this pipe and the water shown are not an issue. This is the same desalinization process used at WEB, and you will also see water flowing back to the ocean from their facility.
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By Vince DePietro-www.bonairebeachcondo.com (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2150) on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 4:26 pm: |
Thank you Mel..I knew there had to be a rational explanation. I absolutely concur with your conclusion.
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By Dan Jolly (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1275) on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 5:05 pm: |
Great bit of information Mel. Thanks.
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By WuWeiProf * (BonaireTalker - Post #56) on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 5:21 pm: |
Thanks, Mel...I feel much better about the whole situation. That's what's great about this board - ask and it shall be answered...8^)
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By Jerry (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #16517) on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 8:16 am: |
Thanks Mel for your input and putting our minds to rest.
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #172) on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 1:45 pm: |
Mel and Jerry, How can your minds be at rest when the sewage from these hotels and shoreline properties continues to seep onto the reef, slowly smothering it? Did you not read Marine Park Manager, Ramon De Leon's statement from August 2008 saying this pollution would kill the reefs by 2011 if drastic action wasn't taken?
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By Mel Briscoe (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #458) on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 4:50 pm: |
Pauline, this thread is about that photographed pipe and effluent. Is your mind now more at rest on that issue?
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By Gail T.** (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3899) on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 6:01 pm: |
I know Black Durgon trucks it's waste. I personally asked Al last July.
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By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3008) on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 11:17 pm: |
This thread is also about 'guilty until proven innocent' and 'stirring the pot'.
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By WuWeiProf * (BonaireTalker - Post #57) on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 9:41 am: |
Glen,
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By eddie blizzard (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #4) on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 - 7:20 pm: |
"Pauline, not to be snarkey but what would you propose we do with street runnoff?"
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #179) on Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 7:03 am: |
Mel, the question is how often the hotels are trucking their waste and what proportion of their waste is being trucked.
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By Mel Briscoe (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #494) on Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 8:28 am: |
Pauline, why don't you start a new thread about which hotels truck their waste in a timely way? Your most recent post, and several before, are good, but not related to the "effluent" pictures that this thread was about. In fact, this thread seems to be finished!
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