By Kevin (BonaireTalker - Post #14) on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 2:47 pm: |
I am curious to know if anyone has ever made an effort to organize a cleanup of the debris at the southern end of the island. Can anyone recall any cleanup efforts?
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By Fid Chinoy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #138) on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 2:05 pm: |
It would appear that everyone is too busy pointing fingers and shrugging off the responsibility for clean-up to actually do anything about it themselves.
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1099) on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 3:02 pm: |
Come on Fid, quit holding back and tell us how you really feel. Seriously though, now that this has been brought up, I was reading this article on my Yahoo home page about a couple of recent shark attacks in Florida I believe it was. Marine scientists are saying these sharks have moved closer to shore chasing fish because of protective environmental measures that have been taken in that area to include proper waste disposal. Apparently these measures have made the water cleaner so these sharks are moving closer to shore to chase their prey in the clearer water and are ending up attacking divers etc as a consequence. Now, imagine what would happen to the waters around Bonaire if these same measures were implemented? Proof that proper waste disposal, as well as other protective measures, makes a huge difference in clearing up the water. Not that anyone doubted it to begin with but I thought it was interesting. Major highjack I know. My apologies and the following disclaimer: I am not trying to tell Bonaire who to run its island with these comments.
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By Dan Jolly (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #729) on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 3:08 pm: |
I do know that there are organized clean up dives on bonaire on some regular basis. The last one I knew about was Sept 20 at Yellow Sub with food afterwards. So it does happen. I just don't know when or where.
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By Liz .... back to Bon 3/29-4/4. (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #257) on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 3:50 pm: |
Marcus....not so good for those being chased by the sharks, though....
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By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #696) on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 3:55 pm: |
Kevin
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By Kevin (BonaireTalker - Post #16) on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 4:58 pm: |
Yeah that's what I was talking about. I was amazed at the amount of stuff that had washed up.
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By Marlene Robinson (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #8) on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 5:23 pm: |
Kevin:I don't know of any general cleanup of waterborne debris that's been attempted on the southern shores. However, Sea Turtle Conservation Bonaire does conduct regular cleanups of beaches where sea turtles nest, or where there is potential for them to nest. Every year we have a major cleanup in April to coincide with Earth Day and another in September which we tie to the International Coastal Cleanup. While we focus on Klein Bonaire, we also clean Baby Beach (this one is one the south coast), Playa Chikitu (National Park), Lagoen and Washikemba (both on the east coast) when we are able and can get enough volunteers. We do these cleanups in partnership with Selibon and STINAPA, and our level of success is entirely dependent on the great volunteers who spend their day in hard work.
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By Lloyd Haskell (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #362) on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 5:42 pm: |
Once its in garbage bags then what ? There is a huge vortex of this junk floating around in the pacific already .
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By Kevin (BonaireTalker - Post #17) on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 7:43 pm: |
While I understand what you are saying Lloyd, I am not sure if you are insinuating that we (the world) should just shrug our shoulders and do nothing about it.
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By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2943) on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 12:04 am: |
I believe there is a 'landfill' on Bonaire for land trash that this could be taken to?????
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By michael gaynor (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3587) on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 9:15 am: |
Most of the trash on the south is from sources other than Bonaire. For years we used to clean it up and within 72 hours it was replaced by new accumulations. I once found a light bulb that still worked! Also, the rocky shoreline is no place for a general cleanup since it is difficult to traverse in most cases.
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By Nathalie (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #287) on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 10:51 am: |
Marlene,
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By Fid Chinoy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #139) on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 3:37 pm: |
I guess on the upside it is good that there are no feet or other appendages still in the shoes that wash up (unlike what has been occuring along BC's coastline). I have often seen people come out of the water with a beer bottle or other garbage in their hands. I am just assuming that they were not having a cold one in the sitting room of the Hilma Hooker or something.
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By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2947) on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 9:21 pm: |
Michael,
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By Marlene Robinson (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #9) on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 9:41 pm: |
Yes, Nathalie, I'll post dates as soon as we have everything confirmed. Thanks for asking.
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #687) on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 5:56 am: |
During my visit last year I’ve met a gentleman who cleans Lagun on a daily basis:
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By michael gaynor (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3590) on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 9:24 am: |
Selibon used to take a loader out to Lagun once a month but it just was a futile effort. Kudos to the folks who clean it now. I am sure the majority of the trash comes from illegal dumping way off out coast.
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #688) on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 9:34 am: |
If I remember correctly, the gentleman started filling 10 containers :-)
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #162) on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 1:47 pm: |
Fid, your cynicism and presumptions about environmental activists on Bonaire is puzzling, especially given that sewage spewing onto the reefs of Bonaire will kill the primary economic asset of the island, so efforts to halt that sewage will benefit everyone who is in the tourist industry. So folks who fight for the sewage to be stopped should be commended just like those who pick up garbage, take their batteries and recycling home, patrol beaches for the sea turtle hatchlings, campaign against overfishing, etc. It's the people who do nothing that should be reprimanded, don't you think?
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By Fid Chinoy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #140) on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 8:37 pm: |
I am not trying to pit one environmental issue against another, I am only trying to be realistic. It is easy to advocate solutions which rely on spending other people's money. Just because environmental activism is trendy does not mean that all environmental activism should be commended.
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #163) on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 10:45 am: |
And Fid what exactly do you do on Bonaire to alleviate its environmental problems on your own dime? Or do you just like to take cynical pot-shots from the sidelines?
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By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2949) on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 4:02 pm: |
Pauline,
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By Deborah Bennett (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #190) on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 12:29 am: |
I don't mind donating a few hours to picking up garbage during my vacation. In fact, I'll bring my own garbage bags. Perhaps if dive shops encouraged donating time to pick up trash, and perhaps gave out or sold bags, they would find many guests willing to help.
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By Kevin (BonaireTalker - Post #22) on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 1:29 am: |
That's good to hear Deborah! I assume many others would be willing to take a few hours out of their trip and help also. Now we're getting somewhere!
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By Dan Jolly (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #787) on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 6:54 am: |
It might be reasonable to have local businesses sponsor some weekly Friday cleanup on the typical off-gas day. People who volunteer could get a lunch coupon - say 5 naf. Each Friday morning some lead volunteer would be at a scheduled beach or area for people to meet. Pickup trash on shore or underwater
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By Kevin (BonaireTalker - Post #23) on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 10:35 am: |
Is Friday the typical off-gas day? It was Saturday for me.
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By Dan Jolly (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #788) on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 10:38 am: |
See this link to Bonaire Insider for clean up projects.
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #164) on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 1:50 pm: |
Glen (and everyone else interested in the sewage problem and project on Bonaire),
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By Liz....less than 40 days 'til Bon. (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #261) on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 3:36 pm: |
Pauline - I am confused by the 4th paragraph of your post. Which project is considered "a big waste of money, comes too late, etc."? The temporary sewage processing plant or the "main sewage project"? I'd also like to obtain Ramon's referenced statement. Do you have a link to that handy?
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By Pauline Kayes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #165) on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 4:59 pm: |
Liz, (1)sorry about the ambiguous pronoun reference! It is the main sewage project that a number of experts continue a "boondoggle."
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By Tom Reynolds (BonaireTalker - Post #17) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 1:18 am: |
Is this comment some kind of a joke????
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By Brian* * * * (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4367) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 5:26 am: |
Tom there are more countries that visit Bonaire than the USA and the Netherlands.
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By Deborah Bennett (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #192) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:49 am: |
There's no need to have a "cleanup day" to pick up trash. Each of us should just pick out a few hours whenever we want on the island. We don't have to be all together to pick up trash. It may not be as dramatically done, but it will get done. Lets pack out garbge bags and go for it.
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By Kevin (BonaireTalker - Post #27) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 2:35 pm: |
I agree with you in theory Deborah. Bonaire doesn't "NEED" to have a cleanup day in order for people to want to pick up trash and/or participate.
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1112) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 3:40 pm: |
I reckon both ideas, organized cleanup day and individual effort, rock. Put the two together and you got a "force multiplier" as we say in the Army. If I could get my hands on the biodegradable bags somehow, I'd have no problem pulling a little police call on the sites I'm diving.
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By blue mcright (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #184) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 3:45 pm: |
Here's a link to biodegradable plastic bags:
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1113) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 4:00 pm: |
Thanks for the link Blue. I'll get some of these and give em a trial run during my April trip.
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By blue mcright (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #185) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 4:12 pm: |
You're welcome!
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By *Freddie* (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #11564) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 4:45 pm: |
please don't think I am naive about biodegradable bags BUT,, if the stuff that you pick up is not biodegradeable what good is it?? won't the bag rot away and then all the stuff in it be exposed again?? Flip flops that are on every beach do not degrade as far as I know and neither do the plastic bags or balloons that are so prevalent.. I am all for picking up garbage just not sure what to do with it once I have it contained..please educate me on this matter.. thanks
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By Kevin (BonaireTalker - Post #28) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 5:06 pm: |
Well, the idea is (at least from my perspective)that if you need bags to pick up the trash, it doesn't make sense to purchase plastics bags. To purchase them is to add to the manufacturing of them and therefore the demand for them. This in turn signals a need (from a manufacturers standpoint) to make more.
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By *Freddie* (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #11565) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 5:09 pm: |
point taken Kevin.. thank you
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By blue mcright (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #186) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 5:11 pm: |
That is a great point Freddie!
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By *Freddie* (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #11566) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 5:27 pm: |
thank you for posting back Blue.. hey lets see what we can do about the biodegradable flip flops.. they are not made to last forever anyway so why not make them so that in time they will in fact break down...goes for some cigarette butts too..I think that balloons should be outlawed within 500 miles of any sea....
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By blue mcright (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #187) on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 5:38 pm: |
Amen Kevin and Freddie!
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By Deborah Bennett (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #209) on Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 10:47 pm: |
I did pick up garbage in Bonaire like I said I would, and am coming back for a month in Jan. Promise to pick up lots more.
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By Chris (BonaireTalker - Post #62) on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 11:42 am: |
There are organized clean-ups involving young people on Bonaire. For one CIEE involves their students from the US to do a beach clean up on the south side twice a year (pictures on their website). The other group, Sea Turtle Conservation Bonaire involves large numbers of young Bonairians (Jong Bonaire) twice a year to prepare Klein for the turtle nesting season. I was part of that effort in April. I was very impressed by the numbers of participants from Jong Bonaire and their eagerness to help.I believe the environmental efforts on Bonaire can only be successful if young Boanirians are educated and involved in these efforts. I salute the Group Jong Bonaire (jongbonaire.org) and their leaders. Involving young people in after school organized activities by giving them something to do is the first step to keeping them away from crime and have them take charge of the wonderful island of Bonaire and its challenges in the future. We can support this group by buying their calendar, see website. DFB is also involving local youngsters, teaching them why their island is such an asset in our world and worth every effort of preservation. And finally there are efforts to get a "Highway Adoption" program on the way (Bonaire Reporter page 12)http://bonairereporter.com/news/009pdfs/newcurrent.pdf. In a perfect world, everybody would have the same level of environmental awareness, but unfortunately this is not the case and we can only lead efforts by setting good examples and supporting the youngsters of Bonaire in preserving the island we all adopted and love so much.
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