From other forums I have noted a question about Hugo Chavez and his POSSIBLE introduction of monies from Venezuela into the politics of the once ABC islands.
Bonaire is the only one I really care about.
Does anyone have knowledge or opinions of this?
I think he's a nut case; once a rich one and now on a downhill ride.
Here is the link that started me on this.
http://article.wn.com/view/2009/12/18/Venezuelas_Chavez_sees_US_threat_in_Dutch_islands_vz/
Thanks for your input; and no troll involved.

We had a thread here a couple of days ago.

http://www.oldbonairetalk.com/newsgroup/messages/23830/411915.html?1261150734

Yesterday he just accused a U.S. plane of violating his airspace & indicated it would be shot down.
He then accused Columbia of allowing US military to use it's bases to prepare for a military attack on Venezuela. Because his Marxist government is a miserable failure, these are tactics he uses to divert attention from his government's own pathetic shortcomings.

And the World continues to tolerate him...

Really quite humorous . He is obviously looking for attention and getting a little . The world will always have guys like him , Kim Jung , Armadinadad or whatever his name is in Iran .
Without them we would be close to world peace and the New World Order does not want THAT.
These guys are empowered to keep the war machines oiled and greased . Enjoy the nut-bars for what they are , after all the USA just got rid of the biggest one.

I don't think it's a legitimate complaint to say the world tolerates him. It is the right and responsibility of Venezuelans to determine their way in the world. Certainly they have no right to bother their neighbors but if the citizens of Venezuela want to continue worshiping the idiot, they've got that right.

Well Lloyd, I think we here in the US replaced a mediocre one with an corrupt one. The current one is owned by the bankers, the investment bankers, and wall street. They bought him, they own him, they control him, and America loses.

I agree , however , I think it has always been that way . They have owned both parties since world war 1 . Only now they are being exposed . Same thing here in Canada , both dominating parties are controlled by the same brokers , The New World Order .
Yes , I am a conspiracy nut , I trust no politician past the municipal level , once past that they all get corrupted .

Well I'm going to jump into this one further. Our Constitution was founded upon a balance of power. Executive; Legislative & Judicial. Unfortunately with the current administration we don't have this. Washington works best when the 2 dominant parties are able to cancel each other out. When one party is in complete control (I don't care whether Republican or Democrat), watch out because there's going to be trouble aplenty.

There are plenty of "fat cats" out there, but rest assured we, the general public are the ones who lose (big) in this scenario. Sort of like the old game entitled:"Heads I win; Tails you lose".

Thom,you say that the Venezuelans have the right to keep worshiping the idiot, but how can they get rid of him when he crushes dissent?--he has shut down the opposition media.He silenced the oldest TV station in the country(rctv) And now he's going after globovision--he's charged the president of globovision with "generic usery" i.e. "hoarding" cars to later sell at a profit. He will find a pretext to get rid of anyone critical of him. So,maybe saying that the good citizens of venezuela have the right to keep worshiping him misses the mark.
Futhermore,the lowlife has even banned Santa Claus--just ask the jolly old fellow who owns(or maybe owned) the middle eastern restaurant north of town. Chavez thinks Santa is too imperialist.That old fellow can't go back to venezuela and play Santa anymore post Chavez.
Santa will be in big trouble this Christmas eve if he "invades" Venezuela's airspace b/c Chavez has alot more anti-aircraft firepower than last Christmas --thanks to the Russians. Of course he claims all the new Russian weapons are for self defense. What a dangerous and anti-democratic idiot.

Has there been any word of Chavez putting money behind a candidate on any of the ABC islands?

Bret, yes, I say it is the responsibility of the Citizens of Venezuela to clean up their own mess. They voted him in, if it takes them spilling their own blood to get him out, so be it. On the other hand, if they're happy with him, so be that.

The reality is, Chavez bought his elections and power with funds that he stole from the people, many possibly most of them are to blind to see it. Sounds a little close to home to me.

If Chavez actually attacks his neighbors the US may need to consider doing something else but don't expect BO to get involved.

It surprised me when American D's kept their mouths shut when BO threw JFK under the bus in response to one of Chavez's diatribes. I guess that makes it pretty clear where BO stands.



(Message edited by thom on December 22, 2009)

Chavez was elected as government before have been 1) really not good 2) in big problems because the oil price for about 10 years was very low, as low as $10 p.b.
Chavez promised an end to corruption and poverty . His way of speaking appealed to many, mostly the poorer population. He never said anything about Socialism in 1998 .....
It became rather clear that is promises were just promises and corruption did not end but started growing ... big strikes in 2002 with him ousted shortly in April 2002 .... and from than on it got worse and worse ....
Recall referendum under the eyes of Mr. Jimmy Carter who did know 10 minutes afer the closing of the voting stations that all went very well ... and it was already than rather clear that there were 2 big problems
1) the electronic voting machines from Smartmatic ( http://alekboyd.blogspot.com/2009/12/mexico-mulls-over-smartmatic.html )
2) manipulation of the voting register (the number of registered voters are extremely high compare to the population .... lots of voters dead for up to 120 years !!! cubans, iranians etc in the voting registers ... people up to 10 times in the voting register)

He had the great idea to call himself Socialist - still even now not knowing what that really means and instead of taking a country as Norway as example he took Cuba ..... and with that he is loved unconditionally by extreme leftists all over the world ....

Mr. Chavez attacked verbally the ABC islands (and Trinidad+Tobago, and Guyana, and Columbia ....even Peru !) before last week. About 2 years ago there came sharp protests from Holland and the Nato .... but as problems are growing in Venezuela he needs now more and more often to distract and when his threats against Colombia are not working anymore he just takes the next country ...

As to local politicians ... there are rumours about politicians on Aruba (they lost heavily in the last elections there) .... there are rumours about some on Curacao (the ones with the biggest mouths) ..... there are rumours about 2 or 3 on Bonaire ..... but as nothing is proven and one can only put question marks to regular traveling to Venezuela and Cuba names are said under the hand ....

If you like to read more here are a few good blogs of opposition in English

http://devilsexcrement.com/
http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/
http://esferapublica.com/

in Dutch
http://free-opinion-venezuela.blogspot.com/

Thanks, Brigitte. Very interesting links. He may fall from opposition within his own country.

Absolutely anything can be said in a blog, with no fact-checking and no controls. So people read blogs and if the contents are supportive of their own opinions, then the blogs are "factual." I'm not saying the blogs cited are wrong, but I am saying that citing them would not change my mind if I disagreed with them.

We are going to miss good newspapers with editors and fact-checkers, folks. I fear for the lack of good information in the future. Who does one believe today? The paranoids say "not the government." The shrill extremists (on both sides) only shout at each other. The good newspapers are almost gone. The press thinks controversy is marketable, so manufacture it.

I don't like Chavez either. It is all so depressing.

the blogs have enough links to videos with speeches from Chavez and others or other info medias which can not be manipulated by the blogger as p.ex. government web sites - of course they are in spanish ....

there is an online English version of El Universal ...one of the leading newspapers of Venezuela ... i try to keep current with that .. i have my family in Venezuela .. on the Colombian frontier ..the border is closed and the people are suffering .. the situation is Venezuela is very bad .. it is a sad story and so very complicated ..

Poor Chavez...He looks like Hitler ! a dictator , a military without brain,a clown !
I hope The Venezuelan people soon elect an educated person .

so does anyone think that Chavez got the US's weather machine and is dumping all this snow on the country??? the news tonight said it effected 25 states , 1 in 3 Americans and 107 mil atlantic state travelers..... sounds fishy to me.....just sayin

And the earthquake in Illinois.....pretty conclusive....

and the mudslides in CA,,, we may be on to something here CB......

ROFLMAO! I thought about this thread this morning after the earthquake.

He's affecting the ferry time tables here in Singapore this week too. Boy is he getting influential......

AHA! I'd been wondering why the left turn light at the intersection had stopped working!

Did he get that E(lectro) M(agnetic) P(ulse) Cannon from Serious Sam working ? I thought you had to get the Volcanos triggered and then swim to Bird Island before the EMP would work.....

Wow! Chavez must have it out for Chicago - snow and earthquake settings at the same time! Also means he's mastered the EMP to the point he can co-focus weather patterns on the same locale and effectively annihilate the inhabitants!

Go all the way to top of this thread, then follow it down, and you will have a perfect example of "highjack"
Too funny.
Who's Hugo?
Where's Waldo?

OMG was Waldo hijacked by Chavez as well ? See. It's true.

lmao...us, get off topic?

MF made a funny...

Want some more news of Hugabe ?

Sundays he has always a One-man Show called Alo Presidente ... lasts between 3 and 7 hours depending on his mood. All ministers have to be present ... they can be dismissed during a show ... or they can get orders there ... like sending troops to the border with Colombia ...
can be done somewhere in the Llanos and he riding a tractor or a horse, he can be singing --- there is a CD with all his songs of the last 10 years ....

Last Sunday he was walking over the Plaza Bolivar in Caracas ... he suddenly decided that is the historical hart of the city ... looking at some buildings ... shops ... asking each time what that is ... answers of course 'private shop' or 'private property' .... and he each time 'exproriate it' !!!! ... and his minister promises directly ' that will be done till Tuesday' .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkRseHu6n2E&feature=player_embedded

Some more news you can find here ...
http://caracasgringo.wordpress.com/