By Jeff Stine (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #292) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:49 am: |
Had a lazy morning and as I was loading my tanks, people started running and said another plane went down.
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By R.(La Femme Nikita) A. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4668) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:53 am: |
NO! OMG, what is going on?? I hope everyone made it out okay...please updates anyone??
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By superd (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #112) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:59 am: |
my current understanding is divi and from tower freq 9 survivors. details unconfirmed and not for speculation or dissemination!!
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By Jeff Stine (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #293) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:00 pm: |
I literally just walked back from Town Pier and posted. No new information yet. They are reporting on Bonaire TV, the reporter was right beside where I was standing. The dive boat that did the rescue may have been from Buddy's but it was moving so fast I'm not sure; it had just left the dock heading back to Klein as I got there.
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By R.(La Femme Nikita) A. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4669) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:05 pm: |
Thank you for the info, hoping there were ONLY survivors. Will watch for updates.
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By Gail T.*********** (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #4430) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:09 pm: |
Bette posted on facebook that all 9 passengers were safe. but the pilot and plane were not accounted for.
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By I'll always be BOOM here! (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #12200) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:10 pm: |
oh my......
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By KIV ~ Kobi in Virginia (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #12865) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:13 pm: |
OMG!!! Thoughts and prayers to everyone; how scary.
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By Diane and Bea (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #542) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:21 pm: |
Our thoughts and prayers out to everyone
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By Will Brown (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #141) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:43 pm: |
Staying at the Bellevue. Saw several small boats heading past Klein. A Marine park boat was working just off our shore here and took off to help. There was a helicopter hovering at the site for an hour. There is also a large Coast Guard ship holding at the site. We werent sure what had happened at the time but we found out that a plane had gone down.
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By Pegi Sue...PegiPie...G's PS (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #11235) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:45 pm: |
I hate reading these things and not knowing the outcome....I do hope and pray that EVERYONE is ok...Please keep posting the details.....
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By Will Brown (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #142) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:48 pm: |
News says all survived but pilot missing at this time. The helicopter is heading back out and the coast guard ship is still sitting there. The dive boats are all coming back. Survivors at the hospital.
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By Will Brown (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #143) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:49 pm: |
I meant the dive boats are coming back to town...not back to the crash.
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By Will Brown (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #144) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:50 pm: |
It was a DA plane...not Divi.
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By Pegi Sue...PegiPie...G's PS (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #11237) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:53 pm: |
DAE??
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By I'll always be BOOM here! (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #12202) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:55 pm: |
Do we know if it was coming or going???
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By Pegi Sue...PegiPie...G's PS (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #11238) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:56 pm: |
My above post makes no sense, it just happened, can't have all the details yet.....
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By Cecil* (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7921) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 1:10 pm: |
Nothing on Goggle or the news outlets, yet, let's pray it was not a passenger plane.
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By *Tink* (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #864) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 1:27 pm: |
Cecil, it is on Google. But both stories are in Dutch
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By superd (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #113) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 1:34 pm: |
I think it is important to recognize the response of this tiny island to this incident. It was both selfless and complete. I had a clear view of the location but not the incident and at one point EVERY boat just aimed at this site. I did not realize the significance to begin with because it is a common fishing area. When the Don Andres was not moving it caught my attention.
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By Ruth, Ken's Forever Love ) (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2395) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 1:51 pm: |
Wow, I have tears reading this. I hope all are ok and the pilot is found. Prayers and positive vibes being sent for all those involved.
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By Jaap van Duijvenbode (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #131) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:04 pm: |
Good morning all,
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By Jerry (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #22440) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:07 pm: |
Thank you Jaap for the translation.
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By I'll always be BOOM here! (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #12205) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:22 pm: |
Bette just posted this on FB:
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #10863) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:27 pm: |
Thanks, Boom, a few sources I contacted had said the pilot was found and safe too. Glad to hear from a local TV station reporting it as fact. Sounds to me that the pilot did an excellent job in keeping everyone as safe as he could considering the circumstances and kudos to all the boats, etc., that came to their aid. Will look for further news on this.
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By I'll always be BOOM here! (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #12207) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:29 pm: |
Bette just posted a correction:
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #834) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:37 pm: |
But DiviDivi only has one pilot normally ?
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By Jerry (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #22442) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:40 pm: |
Sept - Oct BT list.
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #10864) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:41 pm: |
I have to take back what I posted above. I just talked to the folks staying at my place. I do not believe the captain made it out. Will wait for official news.
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By *Freddie* (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #12961) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:45 pm: |
doesn't look like any of the above travelers were in the air coming to Bon......I am sure we will hear all about it if there was anyone we know involved.... prayers up for the Captain
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By Will Brown (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #145) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:51 pm: |
yes it was divi. Sorry
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #10865) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 2:57 pm: |
Very sad indeed. My guests were actually on one of the boats that went out to the scene to rescue anyone along with many other boats. My heart and prayers go out to the pilot and his family.
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By Lizard0924 (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #344) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 3:29 pm: |
more information:
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By Jim Mc -- But you can all me Jacques (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2390) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 3:49 pm: |
The pilot must have done one hell of a job landing the plane in the water. Kudos to him.
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By Remco van Reeuwijk (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #7) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 3:54 pm: |
What awfull news. My wife and I went with Divi Divi while on honeymoon on Bonaire in 2007. We made a one day visit to Curacao and I was thrilled like a young kid to be able to sit next to the pilot with clear view in front of me. My condoleances go to family of the pilot and Divi Divi crew...
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By Eileen**Vegas Baby!*********** (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #14768) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 4:04 pm: |
Awful news. My sympathies to the family. A brave pilot.
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By Krispi*** (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7776) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 4:18 pm: |
this is so sad! Bless him for the sacrifice he gave!
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By Vince DePietro-www.bonairebeachcondo.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2513) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 4:58 pm: |
Our thoughts are with the pilot's family. Looks like he almost made it to the runway. Very sad.
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By terry grainger (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #5) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 5:05 pm: |
We were there. Diving and the plane crashed 400 feet from boat. Ended up rescuing all 9 passengers and taking them to town pier. Appeared to all have no or minor injuries.
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By Jerry (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #22450) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 5:09 pm: |
Damn good thing you guys was on site so quick.
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By I'll always be BOOM here! (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #12212) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 5:16 pm: |
I can't even begin to imagine what that was like.
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By iTimmmy (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6853) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 6:45 pm: |
I wonder if they will call on Walt to recover the pilot since the plane sunk in around 600 ft.of water ?
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By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #799) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 7:43 pm: |
Timmy
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #10870) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 8:00 pm: |
I believe it went down in about 1,000 feet depth range.
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By Donna in the Poconos-----(*) (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #5137) on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 8:26 pm: |
sad.....prayers for the family of the pilot..
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By terry grainger (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #6) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 8:42 am: |
Jerry-
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By Beck-ee, stayin home now for a long time (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2368) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 9:14 am: |
This is so sad and so scary. My heart goes out to the family of the pilot.
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By Mel Briscoe (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #584) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 9:17 am: |
Terry, just curious:
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By Bea and Marvin Jones (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #172) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:24 am: |
There is a short article in the Daily Herald (St. Maarten).
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #10882) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:04 am: |
Here is an article from the Amigoe: http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64169.php
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By Mel Briscoe (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #585) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 12:42 pm: |
Thanks, Debbie.
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #739) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 3:06 pm: |
I'm no expert on planes:
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By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #800) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 3:23 pm: |
Bob
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #10888) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 4:04 pm: |
Here is a YouTube Video Tribute to the brave captain and passengers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3bbfkQgK40
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By Pegi Sue...PegiPie...G's PS (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #11241) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 5:24 pm: |
I'm very sad hearing all of this. Our pilot in May, his name was Robert....he called me over to be his co-pilot. All I know was that he was young and OH SO VERY NICE!!!! This is so sad....
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By YucatanPat (Sand$ Condo) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #389) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 5:43 pm: |
I am currently a student pilot, so this really hits home. Bob, lots of factors go into your question including fuel, weight, wind and air density. Twins are generally built to be able to fly with one engine but nine passengers and luggage would complicate things. My guess is the pilot did his best to maintain altitude and get as close to the airport before his decent and came up short of the runway. All pilots are trained in "no power" flight/glide and landings. He would have been in direct contact with air traffic control so I would think we will have more answers as they sort it out and release information. Just such a shame the pilot lost his life.
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By *Tink* (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #877) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 6:03 pm: |
In Debbie's video they have the conversation between the pilot and air traffic control. Also, if you look in the comments to the video, Erik posted, he was on the plane. Go to his youtube page and he has a link to a news interview about the crash.
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By YucatanPat (Sand$ Condo) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #390) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 6:22 pm: |
Thanks Tink, watched it just now. So sad indeed....
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By I'm back....at last PBD has subsided!! (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3082) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 6:43 pm: |
condolences to the Pilots family, RIP
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By s fuller (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:36 pm: |
I had the great pleasure of flying with captain Rob Mansell, a professional pilot and in true testimony to his skills was able to save the lives of 9 passengers on board his aircraft.
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By Dave Goodwin * (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #563) on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 12:11 am: |
In regards to twin engine flying. I am a certified flight instructor and may be able to shed some light on an engine out in a twin engine plane.
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By Debbie Sturgeon (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 7:28 am: |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/8323711.stm
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By John "Smack" Anderson (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1843) on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 9:11 am: |
Thanks for the info, Dave. I agree with you fully and the pilot did a very professional job. Nine passengers living to tell the tale is more than I would expect in a case like this.
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By Kathy Lawson (BonaireTalker - Post #48) on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 11:18 am: |
We were flying a Divi Divi flight several years ago and lost an engine after departure from bonaire ... we had departed and as we continued climbing, made the turn toward Curacao ... about the time we'd reached Klein, we heard a pop ... i was riding up front with the pilot ... my friend and I are both licensed pilots and knew exactly what had happened ... i turned back and looked at him and we just shook our heads ...
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By Mercy Baron (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #519) on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 12:06 pm: |
My ex husband, who lives in Finland, just sent me the article from the BBC News about the crash.
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By Brian ******* (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4639) on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 3:47 pm: |
Wow this guy was a hero, a good few years I did some work for BAE? and my consultants had a tour of the training school. Seeing the twin engine planes and the single engine trainers, they asked if the pilots preferred the twin engines. They were told no the singles were the first choice in both cases the plane would go down, but twice as often with thr twins. Robert came from close to us - only 30 miles away, do we know were is going to be laid to rest? if here I would go pay respect on behalf of BTr's
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By Dave Goodwin * (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #564) on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 10:23 pm: |
Smack,
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By I'll always be BOOM here! (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #12245) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 2:57 am: |
This thread makes me very proud and humble...
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By Dave Thexton (BonaireTalker - Post #13) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 6:43 am: |
I think it is fairly standard to have 1000ft separation for flight paths.
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By Ann Phelan - www.bonairecaribbean.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3918) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 6:44 am: |
My friend from Antigua called me last night and tole me Pilot Mansell, who once flew for Winair was originally from the Midlands. So is my friend. The story was on BBC.
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By Ann Phelan - www.bonairecaribbean.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3919) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 8:06 am: |
Pilot Franklin Antoin, formerly with Divi made a tribute to Pilot Mansell. I loaded it onto www.bonairebliss.com
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #10907) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 3:35 pm: |
From the Amigoe: http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_64214.php
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By Greg & Lani Muelrath (BonaireTalker - Post #61) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 4:16 pm: |
Having recently flown in this aircraft in the front seat next to the pilot, I know firsthand that the quarters are very cramped. As hard as I tried to retract my body parts (I’m 6-4) away from the “dashboard”, the pilot needed to tell me three times to keep my limbs away from the controls.
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By Greg & Lani Muelrath (BonaireTalker - Post #62) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 4:33 pm: |
PS to the above post:
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #10908) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 4:40 pm: |
Greg & Lani, They are still investigating it. I am sure more info will come out as it is known. If you read the article from the Amigoe above your post that I just posted, it says quote "Why the pilot had chosen to continue flying instead of returning and if the aircraft had excess weight as suggested earlier, should become apparent from the investigation. “Robert had probably acted to the best of his abilities. There is nothing we can say on the ‘why’,” said Richie."
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By Dave Goodwin * (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #565) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 6:27 pm: |
Dave Thexton,
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By pat murphy (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2418) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 7:47 pm: |
after an afternoon of watching football i can attest that armchair quarterbacking, while easy, does no one any good. let's try to keep the speculation to a minimum until more facts are revealed. i'm sure the passengers will be interviewed extensively and when the plane is recovered maybe more can be learned from it.
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By superd (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #116) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 9:41 pm: |
For those of you who are not aware of the location... this is the north west corner of Klein taken about midday on that unfortunate day.
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By Greg & Lani Muelrath (BonaireTalker - Post #63) on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 11:14 pm: |
Several external/internal shots of Div Divi’s PJ-Sun. The last shot taken through the cockpit window of Flamingo Airport is probably not too far from where the plane ditched.
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #836) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 8:08 am: |
Greg, you have been flying to Bonaire you said.
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By pat murphy (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2419) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 2:06 pm: |
AOL has a story about the crash on it's home page today.
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By Steve Joffe (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 4:38 pm: |
The single engine climb rate under standard temperature and pressure for this airplane is 145 feet per minute. At 86 degrees at sea level, and the humidity that day as well as a full passenger load, there is no way that level flight can be maintained. I beleive the local carriers and or government need to re-evaluate their regulations to address this by either limiting passenger loads, requiring higher cruise altitudes to extend glide range, or require higher performance aircraft. That said, he did an excellent job ditching it. May he RIP.
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By *Tink* (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #882) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 7:35 pm: |
Brian, please let us know if the services for this hero are planned, and if you attend and represent BTers...I have tears, so sad.
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By JOBY (BonaireTalker - Post #86) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 9:50 pm: |
I suggest you re-read the message from Dave Goodwin before trying to make suggestions that the airlines need to limit their load, or hinting that it was overloaded. Many people who actually do know about these things will tell you that none of it would have made any difference. What would have made a difference would have been an inexperienced pilot, who would possibly have done the wrong thing and ended up losing all on board.
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By john (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 11:39 pm: |
I am an ATPL ( Airline transport pilot) with 9000 hrs under my belt. over the years I have flown various aircraft 29 to be precise. in my career I have had 4 engine failures of which 2 were catastrophic i.e. the engines caught on fire, whether through experience or just plane luck I managed to walk away from them all.
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By emma jane (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 10:15 pm: |
this Question is in response to the last post.
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By Sue (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #298) on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 9:01 am: |
I can only relate to a flight I took in August on the same type of plane Insel is/was flying at the time.
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By Dave Goodwin * (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #566) on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 9:38 am: |
Emma Jane,
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By ChicagoRandy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #934) on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 11:50 am: |
To add a bit to what Dave IMHO correctly said, profit. I have no reason to doubt the 300# baggage limit in the cargo area of the puddle-jumper aircraft Sue flew. So a 9 passenger plane allows 33-1/3 pounds of "stuff" per passenger? Sounds about right to me.
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By Krispi*** (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7857) on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 1:21 pm: |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6889041.ece#
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #744) on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 4:49 am: |
In "the Telegraaf"
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #753) on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 4:02 am: |
The Dutch government has commissioned the Rotterdam company “Smit” to salvage the remains of the 32 year old pilot Rob Mansell.
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By Trevor Naylor (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #102) on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 8:10 pm: |
I was out at Klein this afternoon and it looks as if a special boat is there now.
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By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3130) on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 - 3:35 pm: |
Smit is one of the foremost worldwide salvage (and more) companies. <http://www.smit.com/>
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By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #757) on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 1:40 pm: |
The plane was salvaged this morning.
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By Fredster (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #13386) on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 1:46 pm: |
thank you for this information Bob.. are you on Bon??? or did you read this??
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By Gail T.*********** (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #4572) on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 2:13 pm: |
Ruth van Tilburg-Obre posted on facebook about an hour ago that the recovery was completed.
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By Jeff Stine (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #309) on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 7:54 pm: |
I received the same information from a friend of mine that was aboard the recovery vessel. He said that there was very little obvious damage to the aircraft. Very sad.
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By Peter Oliveira (LBR28) (BonaireTalker - Post #80) on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 8:15 pm: |
This afternoon, while sitting at a bar across the street from Karel's I watched the SMITH and another larger red ship transfer stuff to each other. I could not make out what or to what ship stuff was being transferred to.
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By Tom*** (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1439) on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 9:08 pm: |
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By ChicagoRandy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #948) on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 11:12 am: |
Remarkably less damage to the plane that I was expecting to see.
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