One of the suspects waiting for trial in 2009 on the Marlies-case escaped from jail. Police is doing intensive searches on Bonaire.
He escaped by cutting the fence by a saw (classical), together with another prisoner. Don't ask me where he got the saw......

People on Bonaire: be careful this guy could be very dangerous!

Harrie

i thought he was being held in the curacao jail.

The main suspect, Ryan, is held in Curacao, this guy, Siegmar Marchena, was, as appeared, kept in Bonaire. He escaped together with the guy that was in the same prison, Rudolf Engelhart.
Rudolf is known to escape from prisons before, several times. Because of security-reasons Siegmar was surveillanced by Dutch police-officers in stead of Bonairian.

Harrie

photo removed from this post until further notice, please click on link below in to view photo

This is Siegmar Marchena

Harrie

(Message edited by modfreddie on December 22, 2008)

(Message edited by modfreddie on December 22, 2008)

Harrie, thanks for keeping us informed.

Thanks.

Wow, thanks for that info, although I'm not sure why the photo was removed. He's been formally charged and named in the media, has he not? Seems like visual identification is a good way to keep yourself safe (and help the authorities). At any rate, I'm glad I saw this post before the photo disappeared. We are going to be on island soon, although I hope he is re-captured before we arrive.

It is crazy that an incarcerated person would have such easy access to a saw. Interested to know whether he will try to get off island quickly or try to hide someplace local. Scary, indeed.

Hi Liz the photo was removed because we received a rather formal email stating that we had no right to post the photo ..and also even though he may have been charged he is still innocent until proved guilty in a democracy,,and Also because BT is not a police blotter.. if the police wanted to post his photo here they would have done so.. just for your information.. I wan to see him where he belongs just as much as the other person but the people that emailed had a point..

A pity the picture was removed, and I hope I could convince Freddie that it was OK to post it. The picture, btw was also on several dutch journals, after he was arrested, and also now again. I just saw a link where the picture was also in. I've sent the link to Freddie, and hope she will post it, I'm afraid to do so, now..... (hummmm)

Some more news on how this could happen.

The jails on Bonaire, were just renovated, last weeks, and opened officially last Thurs- or Friday, with (according to Bonaire's new status), some Dutch officials. The prisoners were given the possibility to help with the renovation-work, and that is supposed the way they got that tooling. (You don't count your tools when you give them out?)

Up to now, no further news

Harrie

Harrie please post the link your email was only half complete to me.. thanks

Freddie, IMHO this guy, whether innocent or guilty is a Fugitive, an escapee from jail, and has lost all his rights.

Yes, we are not a police blotter, but we do have a duty to protect the citizens and readers who will go to Bonaire shortly.

Remember, he was jailed as a suspected murderer or accomplice to murder. He's a dangerous man.

I think the photo should be replaced and let the 'formal email' writers say whatever they want.

Last I remember, Bonaire has freedom of speech, which includes photos of known fugitives or did that change since I left, too.

OK, Freddie,
I sent the mail again,

Here is the link to the article in the Internet-version of "de Telegraaf".

It is in Dutch, but the picture is about the same.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2854284/__Nog_geen_spoor_van_Marchena__.html?p=22,2


I hope Freddie can post the picture again, I posted the picture not because I accuse him from doing something with Marlies, (that is for the judges to find out) but because he escaped from prison, and is potentially dangerous, and perhaps (hopefully) still on the island.


Harrie

ModFreddie - I respect the decision of the BT mods to edit posts at will, but disagree that BT had "no right" to publish the photo (unless it was copyrighted, which is another issue). Media coverage of a potentially dangerous individual outweighs the inconvenience to the individual who has already been formally charged. (And this is coming from an attorney whose done her fair share of criminal defense work.) And, more importantly, his photo has been published in other places already. The bottom line is this guy was charged with a serious offense and then escaped from jail while awaiting trial.

BT purports to be a forum for information on Bonaire. I would hope it isn't just the "good" news that keeps the Bonaire tourism train chugging along that gets posted here. We deserve to have the full picture (excuse the pun) of what's happening on island.

There are many BTers headed to the island in the near future, and there are jail escapees that could still be on island. We deserve to have as much access to relevant Bonaire information, as is available (and that other BTers are willing to take the time to post). This certainly falls into this category, and I would hope BT would reconsider in light of its mission (to share Bonaire information), and put the photo back up. I, personally, would like to recognize this guy should I come across him when I'm diving a remote location without lots of other folks around.

Liz,

thanks
No more censoring, please......

Harrie

Any one that wants to see a photo of the subject can now click on the link that Harrie provided.. thank you Harrie..
BTCInc. has to play by certain rules legally and we are just trying to do that.. I know you all will understand.. Happy Holidays

Good compromise .

Mods - thanks for permitting the link

Harrie - I am just in shock after reading your story about how the (former) inmates apparently got the tools. Yes, counting the tools seems elementary, doesn't it?

Liz,

Just as a footnote - every photo taken by anyone is inherently copyrighted, whether it be a photo you and Ed take at GRI, or one I take in the Galapagos, or one published by a newspaper. The issue is whether the copyright holder has given permission for others to use it.

I am personally not thrilled that we had any prisoners escape from jail here on Bonaire. And that at least one of them was potentially dangerous is worse yet.

Jake

Is Liz the same Liz who owns Golden Reef Inn with Ed on Bonaire?

if she is Denise she has the wrong photo in her profile,,

In this particular case I don't think BT should worry to much about the rights of the person on that picture. With escaping from the prison where he was awaiting his trail he confirmed, at least in my eye's, that he is guilty. His picture is printed in newspapers and posted on other website's "all around the world" so please do not try to be holier then the pope is. Every little it of 'exposure' this gets can help to get him/them rearrested.
BTW the follow up in the Telegraaf makes it look even worse for our 'prison'; They think he even had a cell phone and the breakout was called in by someone who thought he/she saw one of the 'asumed prioners' walking around. Only then they checked the cell and found that empty.
Anyway; I just hope that they are captured very very soon. With or without all the help the police might have.....

Oops - wrong Liz. Sorry.

Menno - I agree, I hope they capture him soon.

Jake

Nope, this Liz lives in Washington State and only gets to visit Bonaire as a tourist. You can check out my profile on BT anytime for info, as the relevant identifying information about me is there.

**we received a rather formal email stating that we had no right to post the photo ..and also even though he may have been charged he is still innocent until proved guilty in a democracy****

If someone said that to me, my response would be..have you ever been in a US tax court?
You are guilty until you can prove your innocence.

just wanted to set the record straight.

There are many people serving time that are actually innocent . Most of them ... too poor to pay for defence. I appall the terrible crime that happened to Marlie. However , because a man escapes incarceration does not enter an automatic guilty verdict . If I were framed the first thing I would do is look for an exit .
We tend to go mob mentality as a society , If the police are so incompetent they cant hold a murder suspect , why trust their arrests .
This crime was screaming for arrests , take a deep breathe and let the courts make the verdict , hopefully they will get it right.

Vince....you crack me up!

"However , because a man escapes incarceration does not enter an automatic guilty verdict ."

I'm sorry, but I have to add my two cents... yes it is possible he is not guilty in the Marlies murder case (possible - not probable) - but he IS certainly guilty of escaping, which is a charge in and of itself here in the States.

OK guys, please stop this discussion.

A guy escaped from prison, guilty or not guilty on murder or helping with it. That is to decide for the judge.

A guy that is in prison and escapes is potentially dangerous.

I just wanted to post a picture of him to show how he looks and so everybody can keep one or perhaps even two eyes open to find him, and to stay out of his reach.

The moderator removed the photo because she got a mail which frightened her, and as we know, they want to keep BT clean of unallowed actions. (In my opinion they are exaggerating, but that is just my 2 €urocents. I have been complaining about that more often on this board, effortless.)

I hope Freddie tells me sometime the real complaint in the e-mail she got. Was it copyright, or was it the police, or the government, or some creepy thing else?

Let's stick to the thread.


Harrie

Liz...Oh and just to set the record straight.....
I ALWAYS pay my fair share

(Of course that depends upon the meaning of the word "fair").

On the escape nothing real new.

The two escaped prisoners are not captured yet.

We heard that during the escape one (or both) got heavily wounded, because there were blood-traces all over. It is suspected there was a mobile phone smuggled in, so they could ask for help to escape/get away.
People saw one of them in Kralendijk (Rudolf, the other one), and called the police-station. Then they went to check the cells, and found out they had escaped......

About the way they got the tooling, there are more possible ideas circling around. As the police didn't make any statement, and probably just will do as everything is cleared, here are three possibilities.
1. As mentioned before it is possible they kept the tools after helping with the renovation of the jail.
2. Another one. As we all know, the people, working for the police, have family-ties all over the island. It would not have been the first time they helped family-members in trouble.
3. And the last one, very creative. The guardance of the prisoners was just given over to Dutch officers, who are on the island to help get things under better control. The local policemen (as so many other locals, people here are really laughing out loud, because this has happened to the Dutch authorities, who were supposed to do their jobs so much better) are not really happy with that situation, and could perhaps have helped them to get the tools, to show that Dutch officers are not doing any better job either.

I hope we will find out what has happened sooner or later, as well as I hope the guys will get re-arrested a.s.a.p.
I can tell you, we feel frightened here now, and we sharpened our personal-security-measures.


Harrie

Harrie..I would really hate to think it was your option # 3.

Any new on this escapee?
Have there been any sightings or word of his whereabouts?

We didn't hear anything, just that police is looking/searching very active. No press-conferences or anything. Silence, silence.

Harrie

Suspects have been recaptured. You can read about it in Dutch here: http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1891999/politie-houdt-ontsnapte-gedetineerde-bonaire-aan.html

Both suspects were arrested on tuesday in a house in Nikiboko.

Indeed,

be happy

Harrie

That is very good news for the people of Bonaire.
Thanks for the updates and to all, a very happy, healthy New Year.

There was a helicopter at the airport as we were boarding our plane on Sat 12-27...he was buzzing around and then took off again.

I mentioned to a ground crew member that they were probably looking for the escapees....they said, yes they were.

Glad to hear they did pick them up again. cb

The two escaped prisoners , Siegmar Marchena and Rudolf Engelhart, were visiting the mother of Rudolf, she became very angry at her son, and called the police. They picked the two guys in the garden of Rudolf's mother's house.
Brave woman....

Harrie

I hate to say it but this is typical of the Bonarian Police Force.

The Government have spent (rightly so) hundreds of thousand of Guilders of tax payers money to bring these people to task. Officers and forensic experts have been drafted in from other Antillean Islands as well as from Europe.

After all of this effort and expense, the Bonarian Police Force manage to lose them.

There should be an independent enquiry and people should lose their jobs. The family of Marlies must be beside themselves.