By Susan - "Bonaire Shore Diving Made Easy" (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #371) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 6:07 am: |
from www.amigoe.com
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By Tom C. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3878) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 7:02 am: |
Fantastic news!! Thanks for sharing Susan!
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By Brian (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2690) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 8:29 am: |
Great News, common sense at last.
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #783) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 8:54 am: |
Fine with me. Good Job Gov!!!
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By Tom C. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3880) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 10:15 am: |
Brian, the odds of the parties which caused the damage repairing the damage could increase if responsible officials such as Governor Goedgedrag required it.
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By Susan - "Bonaire Shore Diving Made Easy" (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #372) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 10:38 am: |
I think Brigitte can explain this better than I. The gentleman who annulled the ruling of the Island Council is not from Bonaire but is the Governor of the Netherlands Antilles appointed by the Queen.
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By Anonymous (BonaireTalker - Post #78) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 10:47 am: |
Wonderful news, Susan.
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By Jerry (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3321) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 10:53 am: |
Happy days on Bonaire. It seems the Governor is not on the payroll. Good job Governor!
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #570) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 12:07 pm: |
The island governors as well as the governor of the Netherlands Antilles are all appointed by the queen and are her representatives - if I am not mistaken always for 5 years with the possibility of one extra term. The governors a proposed by the islands and by the central government to the Queen , all parties have their say but theoretically these governors are neutral to all the governments in power - works quite well , in the 20 years I am here I have never heard about any real problems.
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By Tom C. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3881) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 1:13 pm: |
Brigitte, thank you so much for the information. I can not express how grateful I am when concerned citizens/residents of Bonaire share on these threads.
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By Barbara "CB" Gibson (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #553) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 1:16 pm: |
Yep, me too. Love a different perspective.
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By Cynde (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #587) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 3:09 pm: |
Susan, thanks for posting this. Brigitte, thanks for your feedback as well. Always appreciated
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By Anonymous (BonaireTalker - Post #79) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 5:19 pm: |
It's no wonder Mr. Goedgedrag (don't even bother trying to pronounce it) did the right thing: the English translation of his name is Goodconduct!
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By Walt III - www.RecTekScuba.com (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #322) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 5:46 pm: |
From todays Amigoe
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By blue mcright (BonaireTalker - Post #56) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 7:27 pm: |
Susan and Walt, thanks for the postings. Hurray!
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By Cynde (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #597) on Friday, January 5, 2007 - 9:36 pm: |
What Walt is referring to is the story down on the page "Booi furious at the governor"...me thinks this is going to get "ugly."
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By brian mccarley (BonaireTalker - Post #45) on Sunday, January 7, 2007 - 7:22 am: |
It's actually DROB not "DROP" although there are probably a few other names in circulation for that Department.
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos # 9) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #657) on Sunday, January 7, 2007 - 7:42 am: |
Brian..it's been almost a year since I've been on island but wasn't aware of any 5 story structures being built. What are you referring to?
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By Jim McPeak (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #528) on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 3:48 pm: |
Yes Vince. It is true. There are a number of 4 and 5 story buildings going up. The newest is right where Blue Moon used to be. I had a long talk with a Bonairean friend of mine, Roffino, of Divi Dive. We were both disgusted with this "progress." They are all new condos going in. There are quite a few going in north of town as well. No building was supposed to be taller than the government building. That has all changed. It shocked the **** out of me too.
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos # 9) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #668) on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 5:44 pm: |
Thanks Jim for your response. I guess I'll see first hand when I get down there in Feb. I can tell you that I've become aware of some big money coming onto the island and am really amazed at the amounts of money being spent on some dwellings! Definitely a new class of people are arriving (Europeans and Americans)on Bonaire with the bucks or euros to back up the lifestyle and luxury accommodations they want.
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By Jim McPeak (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #532) on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 10:09 am: |
I know what you are saying Vince, and it is so true. I look at my lifetime and see many parallels with the Jersey shore. You can probably relate to this as well, being a Jersey guy. I remember when Long Beach Island and many other places were oceanic outposts in the 50's and early 60's. Developers came in and took it away to be almost urban in scope. I saw the same thing happen to the Outer Banks in NC. When I was stationed at Camp LeJeunne in 1968, we used to go out there for a weekend and camp. Now it resembles Malibu, CA. Bonaire afforded me that old time Caribbean feeling. Coming back from Karpata on a dive boat is where you can really see the changing skyline.
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos # 9) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #669) on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 11:33 am: |
Jim...Dem changes for sure... I spent my childhood & teenage summer years (50's & 60's)along the Jersey shore, specifically the Point Pleasant area.. The changes have been absolutely unbelievable.
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #169) on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 12:08 pm: |
I am interested to find out what will be the final cost of this charade.
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By Marilyn M. (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #105) on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 8:28 pm: |
When I grew up on Aruba, my mother and I used to beachcomb as our special time together. The first hotel on Palm Beach was being built at the time. The island was a little poorer, and most of my friends had very little, but it was a lot gentler time. Now, their are very few places where any "local" can access to go swimming or camping. The beach where they do the Kitesurfing and windsurfing is constantly in the news as one hotel or another wants the property. There is not a shell to be found on the beaches anymore for stepping over tourists, and the crime rate has risen dramatically. In the meanwhile, the side of the island where San Nicolas is, the roads are terrible, and the school facilities are a disgrace. The money is poured into the areas where the big hotels are. My point is, all of this "progress" has not necessarily benefited the local population. If not for my loved ones in Aruba, I would avoid going there. Bonaire is like my memories of Aruba as a child - which I treasure. My wish would be that any extra funds brought in by tourism would be poured into the infrastructure - which in my mind - should also be focused on better schools, child care, job training and facilities for the aging. A happier local population would also make for a safer, gentler Bonaire. With that, I will get off my soap box!
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By Becky Hauser (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1022) on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 8:41 pm: |
Antony, my question is were the development rights really "legitimate"? I mean, there are international treaties protecting mangroves, so can anyone actually have legitimate rights to build in an area like that? This is an honest question, not sarcasm.
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By Anonymous (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #115) on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 2:01 am: |
Marilyn, I can understand how you feel about the changes that have taken place on Aruba. I have seen the same things happening in my native Zeeland, where I used to go camping in the sand dunes near the beach as a child, go for long walks on the beach (and on the seabed; when the tide was out, you could walk for miles and find all kinds of stuff little kids find interesting). Nowadays it row after row of campsites, holiday villages and fast foods restaurants. I do think however, that in this case, the local population has benefitted, albeit only in the material sense. It has certainly not become a better place to live.
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By Jim McPeak (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #541) on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 12:26 pm: |
Marilyn, a most excellent commentary on Aruba. I went to Aruba about 15 years ago, and then went back for a day two years ago in transit from Bonaire. My in-laws were staying at the Marriot there, and we spent the day with them. I could not believe the changes, congestion, traffic lights, etc. on what used to be a pretty idealistic place. Aruba was used by Mobil Oil or was it ESSO (Exxon) right from the beginning. When that dried up, Aruba was left with a plethora of problems and nobody saw it coming. I can see what you mean about the problems on the interior, while the hotel areas shine. Seems to be a common Caribbean problem though. Hell, it's a problem here in the states as well. Everything looks great in South Beach and the Art Deco area of Miami, but go 15 blocks in and welcome to the war zone. The same can be said for any major city here.
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By Marilyn M. (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #108) on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 4:44 pm: |
It was ESSO. The refinery area used to be called Lago. True, some changes are good, and others are really disturbing. I think Bonaire has done a really good job avoiding a lot of the mistakes made in Curacao and Aruba, just hope they don't loose site of the most important asset of the island - the people. My hope is that with the change over to Dutch rule, more resources will be directed to the safety and well being of those who live there. What a beautiful, special island, below and above water!
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos # 9) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #671) on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 7:00 pm: |
Becky..I'm going to "jump in" on your question to Antony. The property developer (the way I understand it) received the "go ahead & approval" from the Bonairean government. The decision was subsequently overruled by a higher judge on the grounds of the Ramsar treaty.. The issue was then raised can the developer have legal recourse against the Bonairean gov. who gave the approval in the first place?
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By Becky Hauser (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1026) on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 11:41 pm: |
Thanks for the clarification, Vince. I wasn't sure how it all got started (that's what I get for coming in half way through )
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