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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #204) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 5:38 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

For those who can read Dutch.


Bonaire wacht niet meer op minister van Justitie
16 Nov, 2004, 8:39pm


WILLEMSTAD/KRALENDIJK — ‘Gezaghebber Bonaire wacht niet langer op minister van Justitie’, staat er boven een persbericht dat vandaag werd verspreid door de Afdeling Voorlichting en Protocol van het eilandgebied Bonaire. Het flamingo-eiland klaagt steen en been over minister Norberto Ribeiro (PAR) en neemt – figuurlijk bedoeld – het recht nu in eigen handen.



De gezaghebber van Bonaire, Herbert Domacassé, heeft tijdens zijn recente bezoek aan St. Maarten ter gelegenheid van St. Maarten Day een grote stapel met handtekeningen van de bewoners van Bonaire overhandigd aan de minister van Justitie, Norbert Ribeiro. De handtekeningenactie was drie maanden geleden op Bonaire gehouden naar aanleiding van de steeds grimmiger wordende situatie rond de criminaliteit op het eiland. De bevolking van Bonaire wil met de actie onderstrepen dat de maat vol is en ze meer daadkracht en rechtshandhaving eist van de minister.

“Ribeiro zou in september langskomen, maar heeft tot op heden geen bezoek gebracht aan Bonaire”, klaagt het persbericht namens het BC. “Diverse malen is de gezaghebber van Bonaire toegezegd dat de minister van Justitie naar Bonaire zou komen. Er werd echter steeds geen datum geprikt. Uiteindelijk gaf de minister aan een bezoek te zullen brengen aan Bonaire op 5 november, waar hij de hele dag voor zou uittrekken. Maar minister Ribeiro kwam niet.”

De afdeling Voorlichting en Protocol citeert een niet nader geïdentificeerde ‘teleurgestelde Bonaireaanse ondernemer’ die het gevoel ‘van de hele bevolking’ weergeeft: “De minister vindt blijkbaar steeds dat er andere dingen belangrijker zijn dan Bonaire.” De gezaghebber heeft daarop besloten bij de eerstvolgende gelegenheid dan maar zelf de brandbrief en handtekeningen aan Ribeiro te overhandigen.

In al die maanden hebben Domacassé en de bevolking en politie van Bonaire echter niet stil gezeten, aldus het communiqué. Bonaire heeft bijvoorbeeld een Zero Tolerance-team bij het politiekorps ingesteld, er zijn samenwerkingsverbanden tussen de VKB, SSV en Korps Politie overeengekomen en er is een denktank met vertegenwoordigers uit de toeristische en niet-gouvernementele sector opgericht. Daarnaast heeft de gezaghebber in zijn kabinet inmiddels een veiligheidscoördinator benoemd.

“Minister Ribeiro heeft diverse malen beschikbaar zijnde gelden in het kader van het Urgentieprogramma van de centrale regering toegezegd”, vervolgt de klaagzang. “Deze gelden zijn echter tot op heden niet ontvangen. Inmiddels heeft minister Ribeiro een additioneel Noodplan opgezet. Hiervoor moeten gelden onttrokken worden elders in de landsbegroting. Bonaire betaalt vooralsnog alle nodige maatregelen uit eigen zak.”

“Bonaire ziet de bittere noodzaak in van een snelle en adequate aanpak van de in haar beleving explosief gegroeide criminaliteit op het eiland. De politiek op Bonaire heeft al aangegeven wellicht van artikel 26 van de Eilandenregeling Nederlandse Antillen (ERNA) gebruik te willen maken. Daarnaast zal de vastgestelde weg met de landsregering bewandeld blijven worden, totdat er directe banden met Nederland zijn gedefinieerd zoals de bevolking met overweldigende stem als haar keuze liet blijken tijdens het referendum van 10 september jongstleden.” Met deze woorden eindigt het communiqué.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Silvia Taurer (BonaireTalker - Post #13) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 6:43 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

thanks for this report Bob, its really sad, now finally everybody worked together to find a solution and it ends because of a minister of justice who doesnt want to find the time for Bonaire's crime problems. It is certainly the best when Bonaire will work closer in that matter directly with the Netherlands.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #208) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 6:47 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Silvia, I could not agree more.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harrie Cox (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #162) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 6:51 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Don't forget one thing, The Netherlands have absolute their hands full with their own problems at the moment. They will not be very interested to support such a small part of the Kingdom.. It's a pity, but honest, you don't see anything about Bonaire in the dutch press, there are really more important problems in the mainland....

Harrie

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cynde (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #12641) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 6:54 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Bob, can either you or Sylvia please give us a recap of what the article says for those of us that don't speak Dutch?

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harrie Cox (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #163) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 7:00 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I can try to make a recap, but not earlier than tomorrow afternoon, if nobody else posted a summary before that.

Harrie

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin de Weger (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3688) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 7:24 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Cynde, I'll try a small translation (forgive the typo's, it's frydaymorning here all ready and I'm just back from a nice dive with Rob and Diana...)
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Bonaire is tyred of waiting for the minister of justice.

The gouvernour of Bonaire is no longer waiting for the minister of justice, according to the header of a comminique from the department of information and protocol of Bonaire. The flamingoe island complains about the minister Norberto Ribeiro (PAR) and takes justice in to own hands.
The gouvernour of Bonaire, Herbert Domacassé, has handed a big pile of autographs to the minister of justice during a visit to Sint Maarten. the authograph action was held on Bonaire 3 months ago, because of the increasingly violent crime situation on the island. The people of Bonaire are trying to show the situation has to change rapidly, and that they are requiering more action from the justice department.

TRhe minister promised to visit Bonaire in September, but he hasn't paid Bonaire a visit. Several times the gouvernment of Bonaire has been promised the minister would visit, but he never showed up. finally he promised to visit November 5-th, but he didn't show up.

There were a few words from an unidentified Bonaire buisiness man who said to speak on behalf of all the Bonairians, when he stated "the minister thinks other issues are more important then Boanire." That's why the gouvernour handed the petition over to the minister on the first possible time.

In the last months police, people and the gouvernour haven't been sleeping, they have been working hard on actions. There is a Zero-tolerance team. The police, VKB and SSV are working together and there is a "thinktank" with representatives from tourism and non-gouvernmental area's. Also there is a safety coördinator now.

The minister has repetadly promised us funds from the "urgentieprogramma", but we never received them. There is an emergency plan now for us, but still no funding from the minister. Bonaire is paying for all the costs.

Bonaire sees the urgent need to deal with the excesive growing croime on the island, The island gouvernment has all ready stated they might want to use article 26 of the "Eilandregeling Nederlandse Antillen" (no clue what the article is...), further more there will be more efforts to deal with the "landsregering" unbtill there are direct links with Holland, as asked in the referendum of September 10-th.

With these words the announcement stops.
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Good night all...
(and Cynde, when are you going to learn Dutch??? :-) )

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #209) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 7:53 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

tx 4 the translation Martin

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John van het Veld (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 9:50 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Greetings to all.
I copied the below article out of the English version of Amigoe.com - which is where Bob got his Dutch version. Sorry Martin, but it would have saved you some time and effort.

Bonaire is no longer going to wait for Justice-minister
BONAIRE/CURACAO – ‘The Mayor of Bonaire is not going to wait any longer for the Justice-minister’ is the heading of a press release circulated today by the Information and Protocol Department of the island of Bonaire. The island has been complaining for a long time about minister Norberto Ribeiro (PAR) and will now, so as to speak, take the matters in her own hands.

During his stay in St.Martin on the occasion of St.Martin Day, the Mayor of Bonaire Herbert Domacassé presented the Justice-minister Norberto Ribeiro with a stack of signatures from the inhabitants of Bonaire. The petition was conducted three weeks ago as a result of the continued growing criminality in Bonaire. They want to emphasize that they demand more decisiveness and maintenance of law and order from the minister. Ribeiro was supposed to go to Bonaire in September, but up till today, has not been in Bonaire. He promised numerous times to do this, but had never set a date. Apparently, the minister is of the opinion that other things are more important than Bonaire. Instead of waiting for the minister, the Mayor, the police and the inhabitants of Bonaire decided to take care of business themselves. Bonaire has a Zero Tolerance Team, there are forms of cooperation between the VKB, SSV, and the Police Corps and representatives from the tourist and non-governmental sector have established a think tank. The Mayor has appointed a safety coordinator in his cabinet. Several times did Minister Ribeiro promise moneys that are available as part of the Urgency program of the central government. However, Bonaire has never received these moneys. Meanwhile, the minister has set up an additional Emergency plan, for which money needs to be made available from other national budgets. Up till now, Bonaire has been paying for all the necessary measures herself. The Bonaire politics has already indicated wanting to use article 26 of the ERNA. In addition, they will continue to work with the national government until the direct relations with the Netherlands, as the inhabitants have chosen for through a referendum on last September 10th, are defined.

John.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin de Weger (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3689) on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 2:03 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanx John, Now you guys can check my translation skills... LOL

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cynde (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #12647) on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 3:57 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks to both Martin and John....Martin, I'm working on it (learning Dutch)...really....really I am ;-)

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marabeth Owens (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #400) on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 11:52 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thank you all - I will be practicing my "limited" Dutch Dec 1- 6 as I am heading off to Rotterdam for work. So Martin, where should I go to eat? I've been there before and loved the Argentinian Steak restaurant near the Sheraton but this time will be staying at the Hilton near the Shell Building.

Mara

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin de Weger (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3691) on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 4:06 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Marabeth, you can do a number of things: El Faro Andaluz (Spanish), The Bazar (Arabic food), Tai Tani (Thai food).

Martin

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nat (BonaireTalker - Post #47) on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 10:17 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Harrie mentioned that the Netherlands had its own major problems at the moment. Relating to that, there is an interesting article in today's Boston Globe newspaper at http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/11/20/killing_fuels_dutch_clash_of_cultures/

Nat

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Cabus (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #292) on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 12:10 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Marabeth,

If you are a Hilton gold or diamond member, request and insist a renovated executive room. Two years ago they put all elite card holders on a dedicated floor with old rooms.

Peter

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John van het Veld (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #2) on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 5:42 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Here's a quick update on what's happening in as far as discussions between government officials. This copied from http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (also available in Dutch).

Justice-minister pays attention to Bonaire
BONAIRE/CURACAO – Justice-minister Norberto Ribeiro (PAR) spent the whole day in Bonaire today, after the island government had indicated last Tuesday via a press release that the minister does not pay enough attention to Bonaire and that they are no longer going to wait for the minister.

The minister made all sorts of business appointments, like with the Guardianship Board, Family Guardianship Institution (GVI), and with the after-care and resettlement organization in Bonaire. He spoke with respectively Esther Pourier-Thodé, Asha Wilsoe-Pourier, and Caroline Cecilia. The meeting with the abovementioned instances took place in the meeting hall of the Guardianship Board in the APNA-building.

Afterwards, he met with police commissioner Gerold Daantje; then he went to the main police station in Kralendijk to meet with district attorney Ernst Wesselius. He had lunch with Mayor Herbert Domacassé, Governor Frits Goedgedrag, and the manager of the Cabinet of the Governor.

In the afternoon he visited the Taskforce Horeca-companies. He also met with the four Bonarian members of parliament Burney El Hage, Reginald Dortalina, Geraldine Dammers, and James Kroon.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Silvia Taurer (BonaireTalker - Post #14) on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 7:11 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

thanks for the link and update John, like they say in the report, it sounds hopeful but not promising yet.
Sorry all for not responding faster and translating....mea maxima culpa....on the road again....luckily I have you guys who keep me updated.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harrie Cox (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #166) on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 9:15 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks John for the update on what's happening. But one remark, good that he is been talking with so many VIP's, and even had dinner with some of them, but what is going to HAPPEN? Nothing, as usual?

Sorry for this bitter remark, but it is based on experience.....

Thanks Nat about the article in the Boston Globe newspaper. Can you imagine that those 10.000 people on Bonaire will be of null and no interest to the dutch Government according to the problems they have with 1 million muslims? And the muslims are not the only one, there are also lots of problems with people from other countries, which cause lots of (drugs-related) crimes. (for instance Antilleans, living in the Netherlands, people from India, Ghana, Yugoslavia and so so many other countries) Yes there were made big mistakes in accepting them to not have to adapt to the country they came as guest to. BTW most of them are definately OK, but a minority causes big problems.

If you zap through the dutch television-programs now, about half of them are sending items about muslims, government being busy with it, a.s.o.
Problems are this big that solutions and implementing (if possible) will take many, many years.

This threat was one of the main reasons for me to move from the Netherlands to Bonaire, besides of the weather, of course.

Harrie

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marabeth Owens (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #407) on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 6:15 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thank you Martin and Peter - I appreciate the recommendations.

Mara

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #213) on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 7:55 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Marabeth:

A friend of mine lives in Rotterdam and gave me the following suggestions for dining in Rotterdam:


At the “Kop van Zuid”: Hotel New York en Café Rotterdam (tramway 20 en de metro stop in front of the Hilton) Staal in the World Trade Center, a little further at the opposite side of the “Coolsingel” and Dudok at the “Meent” (both within walking distance)
In the “Veerhaven”: Loos, nul10, La Stanza, La Pizza, several restaurants (and galeries) at the “Westelijk Handelskwartier” (tramway 5 in the direction of “Willemsplein” also stops in front of the Hilton)
At the Maurisweg (you can walk or take tramway 5): a very good Chinese, De Unie, Amuse, Maria
At the “Schouwburgplein”: Floor
In the building of Nationale Nederlanden (next to central Station) there is a fantastic Italian restaurant.

Have fun en enjoy.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marabeth Owens (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #411) on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 12:58 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Wow Bob - thank you so much - I really appreciate it. I have been to Hotel New York and LOVED the food and the beer. Went to a fantastic Italian restaurant but can't think of the name of it - I will try to get the group to try the one you suggested.

Thanks again - this is great.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Smits (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #217) on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 6:31 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

At the “Westelijk Handelsterrein” (street: Van Vollenhovestraat 15, pakhuis (means warehouse) 35 (I got the name wrong last time) a gallery just opened.
Jasper Krabbé (son of Jeroen Krabbé, movie star and artist) shows his paintings and drawings.
But what is even nicer. He works together with Mr Van Eek.
Van Eek makes furniture of "old wood". Very special and in very high quality. It would be a nice combination to eat "around the corner" and to visit the gallery.
My wife went there last night and returned very enthusiastic.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian (bcj.) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #144) on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 10:41 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Bob: I'd recommend starting a new topic thread with this information as it's actually quite positive news and doesn't relate to the justice system on Bonaire.

 


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