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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jan van der List (BonaireTalker - Post #16) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 10:29 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Heep Heep Hurray

On the radio now ; the police have arrested 3 animals last night.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sue (BonaireTalker - Post #80) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 10:31 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Lets pray they found the right guys!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jan van der List (BonaireTalker - Post #17) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 10:33 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

On the news ;
names of the animals were on the radio. One of them recently got out of prison.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.J zambrano mazzei (BonaireTalker - Post #61) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 10:34 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

OK let`s wait for the official police report to celebrate, anyway I hope they found the bad guys! Good news !!!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jan van der List (BonaireTalker - Post #18) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 10:38 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

It is official. The prosecutor and chioef of police were on the radio.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.J zambrano mazzei (BonaireTalker - Post #62) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 10:40 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Jan. thanks for the GOOD NEWS !

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Linda Richter - NetTech (Moderator - Post #2026) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 10:42 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks Jan!
We'll keep our ears and eyes peeled for more information. I hope they found the guns too so those weapons are off the street.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marabeth Owens (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #305) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 10:44 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thank goodness for the arrest. And now I hope that along with the arrest can be the conviction and proper justice.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eileen Kimmett (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6792) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 10:59 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Great news!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #598) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:10 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

This is great news!

Let this be a signal that Bonaire still got a working police force.
And, I agree with Marabeth: let's hope that along with the arrest can be the conviction and proper justice.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kitty @ CrystalVisions (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #275) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:10 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

The police confiscated 3 weapons.
2x .38 caliber and 1 x .32 caliber revolvers.

The arrested men (names are public now, but they won't tell much here, I guess) were 20, 29 and 45 years of age.

The investigation continues, so anyone with information is still asked to come forward.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Debbie Babcock (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #233) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:16 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

YAHOO!!!!! This is the best news I could get all day! I hope they can keep them in jail or a jail off of Bonaire is even better!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jake Richter (Moderator - Post #5236) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:29 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Kitty,

Can you post the names here anyway?

Jake

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kay Powers (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #876) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:34 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

YIPPEEEEE for the arrests.....

My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy P (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #238) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:43 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

please post the Paypal account info to send $$$ for rope and a stout tree. Or perhaps just a VERY leaky canoe VERY far from shore? Like 40-50 miles.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By seb schulherr (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1730) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:48 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

YAY! I feel better already.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By seb schulherr (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1731) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:49 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

OOPS! That's me, Mary W using Seb's computer on this and the above posting.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denise Kacavas (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #851) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:55 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Does anybody know if somebodey offered them up as a result of the reward posters?

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cindylou (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #285) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 12:14 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Encouraging news. Does anyone know if they were caught in the process of commiting another crime?

Let's hope, as has been said above, that the appropriate justice prevails and that a clear signal is sent that the people of Bonaire will not tolerate this crap.

Has any additional policing help been brought onto the island recently or was this arrest the work of the local officers?


 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kitty @ CrystalVisions (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #276) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 12:49 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

This -for Bonaire mega- operation started around 2:30 am this morning. Simultaneously, 18 heavily armed officers wearing bullet proof vests went in seperate teams to 4 different addresses on Bonaire. The addresses were in Antriol, Antriol Pariba, Sabana and Tera Kora.

The officers were from the local SWOT-team, zero tolerance team and VKB (volunteer police force).

The operation went on till 7 am this morning and a lot of different things were confiscated. The police and prosecutor only wanted to mention the 3 weapons and amunition. Other confiscated items were kept silent due to further investigation and maybe more arrests.

Later, apparently a female was arrested as well.

I have been asked to mention the names. Even though these people are known to the police from other cases, I will personally refrain from mentioning the full names:

Ellery N.
Sergio M.
Dominico W.
(Valerie N.)

The suspects are held separately and in seclusion.

P.S. Forgive me if I made any mistakes in exact numbers or spelling

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cindylou (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #288) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 1:02 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks Kitty. Our fingers are crossed that this is the beginning of turning the corner. I SO want to be able to visit Bonaire again and not have the fear we were burdened with during our awful experience when we visited in 2003. And more importantly, for the people who call Bonaire home, I wish for you the peace of mind and safety you deserve.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jan van der List (BonaireTalker - Post #19) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 1:19 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

One of the guys (Ellery N (for Nicolaas) was recently released from Bonaire prison. The reason was that the prison does not meet certain standards. I guess this means you need a minimum of 17 inch flat screen television and an extra bathroom and couple of more things for every cell.
Lets hope the government has money to provide these guys with all the luxury they need in prison. If not we may expect them out in the open again soon.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Carter (BonaireTalker - Post #100) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 1:37 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Just curious does Bonaire have a prison? Seems to me good use could be made of the slave huts and some razor wire.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cindylou (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #289) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 1:46 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Any chance of real photos of these guys? We might be able to ID them as possible suspects for the attempted B&E where we were staying last year.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cheryl Kopitzke (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #166) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 1:50 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Great news, thanks for posting!

Cindylou, what happened to you in 2003?

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cindylou (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #291) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 2:25 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Cheryl

We had the battery stolen out of our rental truck while we were having dinner, we had stuff stolen at a dive site (petty) but most notably, we were awoken to the sound of intruders trying to get in the sliding door to our bedroom from the second floor balcony (Caribbean Court). The scariest experience I've ever had. My partner actually saw the guy jumping down over the rail. That night, the bad guys were successful gaining access to a couple of units and also stole a rental truck from the parking lot. We did all the requisite reporting the next day and wrote letters afterwards. Nothing came of it. Given we have been on the island several of the last 12 years, we're very concerned with the escalation of what was once pretty petty stuff. As is the case with so many others, we've predicted and seen this crime progress to the point people are getting hurt and lives are in danger.

We posted to BT back in March 2003 after we came home.

C.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Susanf (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1010) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 2:26 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

This is great news. We were on Bonaire when this horrible attack happened.

Hopefully they'll be put in jail *somewhere* and not released after a hand-slapping...

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cheryl Kopitzke (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #175) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 2:37 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Cindylou, thanks. That's awful! We're going to Bonaire in two weeks, I knew we'd have to watch out for thieves, but this is scarier. I'm glad the three bad guys are in jail, just hope they're properly dealt with.

Take care,

Ch

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Margarita Murphy (BonaireTalker - Post #15) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 2:57 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Cindylou, thanks for the link you provided on the BT thread.
This makes my day, knowing that these animals have been apprehended. Hopefully they will get the punishment they deserve.
Margarita

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By michael gaynor (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1819) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 3:43 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

In speaking with one of the officers involved with the investigation, it appears that they had been pretty much aware of these creeps. The radio mentioned their full names, which to me make a lot of sense. It appears the group involves a brother and sister and most of them had full time jobs. The real sad thing is that they are from Bonaire, dispelling the Curacao connection.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry Besco (BonaireTalker - Post #56) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 4:16 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks goes to the victims who came forward, newspapers, and this web-site that believes in action and free speech. I did respond as others did to the site saying my future vacation plans to Bonaire were in limbo if crime continues. We vote with our dollars and pray for the victims.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vince DePietro (BonaireTalker - Post #62) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 5:22 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

So very glad to hear this news!!
Excellent...Now for an even more difficult task....
segregating them from civilized people for a long long long time.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jake Richter (Moderator - Post #5239) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 5:49 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Assuming these are the right guys (and all indications point that way), it's critical that the police do not simply assume their job is done and they can stop being vigilant and proactive.

Likewise, people living on Bonaire or those visiting, need to make sure to report any crimes they are victims of, no matter how boorish or uninterested the police appear to be. For visitors, make sure your hotel/lodging gets notified too - the local private tourist groups like BONHATA have been keeping track of such reports when made, and then verify with the prosecutor that he received the reports (I understand many times reports made with police in the past never quite made it to his office - don't know if this has improved).

Once reports are in, the police need to really investigate (and learn how to investigate properly! - see Albert's letter in the other thread about a lack of a chain of evidence and a lack of anything close to real forensic crime scene investigation - when the victim is the one to locate obvious evidence, or when the investigators take fingerprints from areas where a criminal was not likely to have been because that fingerprint is cleaner than the ones right at the crime scene, you KNOW something is not right).

In any event, the authorities need to take any all all crime reports very seriously, because left undealt with, crime only escalates - it never decreases on its own when ignored. In fact, crime will only get reduced by constant active anti-crime and educational efforts.

That said, I'm glad the authorities have successfully tracked down these criminals (gun possession is a crime all on its own, never mind what else the police can prove they are guilty of), and only wish that Dutch/Antillean law would allow for real hard labor, life sentences, and much much more. And even that would be too good for the vermin that beat up Albert and Barbara...

Jake

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carl Pflanzer (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #128) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 5:50 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thank goodness for this news. Carl

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carole Baker (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4257) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:46 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Excellent news. Just by coincidence I purchased our 2005 Bonaire tickets yesterday. This makes the next trip even better. I am so glad this trash is off the streets and hope they remain off the streets for a very, very long time. I hope they can find a place to detain all of them and NOT let them out again as has been indicated here. That is worse than a revolving door pattern here in some of the major US cities, etc. Ship them off and away...far far away forever. It would be nice, tho....I'm so glad for everyone on Bonaire and their direct victims, as well. Carole

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #204) on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 12:50 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

The complete names are published in the Alg.Dagblad from today (30.10.)
Ellery Nicolaas, Dominiko Wanga, Sergio Mercera and a woman called Valerie Nicolaas
http://www.adcaribbean.com/PDF/P09.pdf

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ann Phelan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1562) on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 7:09 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Someone locally who recognizes the names (reportedly there is a long history of criminal issues with some of these convicted individuals) believes a few of these individuals are originally from Aruba. There is a NICE big jail over there overlooking the sea. Send them there!

I hope everyone slept better last night.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Susanf (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1011) on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 9:18 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Jake,
Great summary. I was thinking myself about how I was happy this had been solved (I won't say resolved until/unless these thugs actually get sent to jail for a reasonable amount of time), but a little concerned that the police, after wearing out their hands patting themselves on the back about this, will go back to the laissez-faire, don't bother us with that small stuff attitude. One can only hope that this time, they'll understand the value of being more attentive to even the "petty" stuff since it's been shown over and over again that ignoring it only emboldens the thieves to go on to more lucrative and sometimes violent acts.

And as you say, anti-crime efforts and education can't now fall by the wayside.

I think the good people of Bonaire are up to the challenge, but keeping down crime is something that is best done and ultimately more easily done consistently rather than only when the escalation of it threatens life and livelihood. I hope this has taught that lesson.

I'm rooting for Bonaire.


 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jake Richter (Moderator - Post #5240) on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 9:21 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks Susan.

From the English language page of http://www.amigoe.com:

Suspects Sabadeco robbery arrested

BONAIRE Early this morning, Police and Justice made several arrests with regard to the robbery on the Biancula couple in Sabadeco. Three men and one woman were arrested in Sabana and Antriol. In their homes, the police also confiscated several materials, including three firearms.

According to District Attorney Ernst Wesselius, 29-year old E.V.O.N., the 20-year old S.A.J.N. and the 45-year old D.E.W. were arrested based on tips and testimonies. They are investigating the involvement of the 20-year old woman in the violent robbery. She was also arrested during the action. Wesselius hopes that more witnesses dare to come forward now that the three men were arrested. Meanwhile they are working on analyzing the evidence and investigating whether the stolen jewelry and trinkets in Sabadeco are amongst them, and whether the bullet case they found indeed belongs to one of the three confiscated guns. Two of the suspects will be sent to the Bon Futuro prison in Curacao, and so prevent them from talking amongst each other and synchronize their declarations.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marcel Damen (BonaireTalker - Post #23) on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 10:21 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Maybe we can send the 3 men to the free sterilisation program!!!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John"Smack"Anderson (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #105) on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 10:40 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Jake has it right. The police need to use this as their motivation for addressing all forms of crime on Bonaire. They can make a difference when they apply themselves as a force. Having said that, let's not jump the "gun" and assume that since an arrest has been made that the guilty party/parties are off the streets. Your posts sound much like the current press that has people charged and convicted without knowing all the facts. I say get the facts and evidence to prove their guilt before we pass judgement, then let the guilty ones have it. IMO.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.J zambrano mazzei (BonaireTalker - Post #63) on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 1:26 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

does anybody knows if the police will publish the photos of these 3 guys ! because I don`t want to forget the faces .

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Israel A. Sanchez (BonaireTalker - Post #83) on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 9:27 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Jake & John A., amid the rejoycing that this bit of good news brings, it's good to see people who can still keep a cool head, enjoy the thrill of the moment, yet stay objective. Indeed good news, and long overdue for the Bonaire PD. Let's keep in mind that that unless effective measures are taken, things will get back to the way they were before. Thefts that will increase in magnitude and dare by the month, with people denying the existence of a problem, until the next ugly event happens. Jake is right. Every single little thing should be reported to the police, and to make it more effective, brought up to this forum. Let's all take a respite from those tense few days, give our support to the victims, enjoy the moment, hope for the best but keeping our senses alert. I mentioned I would not return to Bonaire unless something concrete was done. The arrests are by no means sufficient. Time is needed to see whether the honchos have implemented effective solutions to the problem. Nevertheless, the island's summoning is irresistible. My wife and I have been talking about it, and we really miss it. Even prior to the news, we had decided to return. Of course, we'd lodge in a resort with security and take the precautions that saw us safe during our visit in January. The situation is reasuring, but we will stay alert. Too bad Gibi is closing... We would've loved to hang out with the BTs. There will be another chance. My best wishes to the victims and I hope they see justice done. Coach Izzy

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jill Ganderton (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #135) on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 10:22 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi there...we are "very occasional lurkers" as usual, but had to put up a message to say we are so thrilled to see this news.

We had decided to cancel our Christmas trip to the island as we felt we would spend more time worrying and looking over our shoulders than a vacation was worth. If these people are off the streets we feel much more comfortable.We have sent an e-mail to Mr Wesselius to thank him.

So Jake, any orders for thai\szchezuan sauces etc..(or anything else?) We'll be arriving on the 18th December. :-))

Jill

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harrie Cox (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #138) on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 12:27 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Not only tourists feel happy that they found these criminals, locals too, and for sure we will sleep a lot better, the coming days.

I really hope te police will keep this level of alertness, and will help to keep the island as safe as possible.

I want to add a little story about the petty-crimes, actually caused by children.

A few weeks ago they stole a gameboy from one of my friends, the owner had quite some suspect who could have done it, because they visited his house earlier that day, it were actually children from the neighbourhood. Police came and took fingerprints, (children's size), but there was absolutely no action to take a look in the house where the gameboy possibly was stored. If we made a remark on it, they said that we had to look ourselves.... What we didn't do, of course. If you keep these small crimes unsolved, these children will be the big criminals for the coming years.... I know, a gameboy is not an expensive thing, but is starts with a gameboy, and it ends with a robbery with shootings....

Harrie

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian (bcj.) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #141) on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 3:17 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I'm intrigued by the "guilty because they were arrested" vibe on this string. Yes, it's great that someone was arrested, but isn't there a trial process that has to happen next? Not completely sure how this works in Bonaire, maybe someone can share.

Not to rain on the parade, but there's always a chance that either the wrong person/people were taken in, or there are more. Whatever the case may be, don't assume everything is back to storybook quality safety just because of a few arrests.

Have there been positive IDs made by any of the victims?

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By seb schulherr (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1733) on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 3:35 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Brian, if they were found with guns, that is a crime in itself. So, contrary to some opinions, I think that makes the island a little safer.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Al Schroedel (BonaireTalker - Post #48) on Wednesday, November 3, 2004 - 8:36 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Safer on Bonaire because "gulity were arrested"? Surely wish it were so. Raj and his wife (Garden Cafe) were attacked and robbed Tuesday evening at closing time. No other details, such as possible physical harm, known at this time.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Israel A. Sanchez (BonaireTalker - Post #95) on Wednesday, November 3, 2004 - 9:01 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

So the arrests were not deterrent enough for the low-lifes, and it seems that there are more to boot. My best wishes to the poor victims who were only earning an honest living. I understand that the prosecutor is working hard to see legal action, but something more drastic and impressionable needs to be done pronto before things do get out of control and the people start taking justice in their own hands. Thanks for the info Al. Coach Izzy

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By seb schulherr (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1746) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 1:02 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

No Al, because there are three fewer guns in the hands of miscreants.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harrie Cox (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #142) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 1:00 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I posted a message about the attack on Raja and Esperanza (Garden Cafe) in the thread "Message from the prosecutor". Look there for more information.

Harrie

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kelly (Lott) Baum (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1983) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 1:27 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Just to expand on what Seb said, it is a known statistic that there are less robbing and attacking crimes in areas where people are allowed to carry guns. Definitely a deterrent if you have to wonder if you sneak into someone's house, you're going to be met by a shotgun pointing at your head. Might think twice about doing it. IMHO of course.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kelly (Lott) Baum (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1984) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 1:30 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Seb, picture this! I am walking down the street, and some thug runs up and tries to grab my purse. Instead, I pull out my cute little "girl" gun... and say, "Nice try, jackass -- how about YOU give me YOUR wallet instead and we call it a day?" LOL

Okay maybe not funny, but funny to me. :-)

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marabeth Owens (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #326) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 1:42 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I don't know Kelly - I kind of like it. Reminds of the "legend" of the elderly woman who got to her car after shopping only to find 4 guys in it. So she pulled a gun out of her purse, yelled at them to get the heck out of her car and they ran like hell. Then she tried to start the car but realized that her keys didn't fit - she was in the wrong car. And they guys were already at the security area trying to explain about the old lady carjacking.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Susanf (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1022) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 2:27 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

One thing we were taught when we took classes in gun-ownership and use, don't pull a gun if you don't intend to use it. Hesitate, and it can be taken from and used on you.

When I was mugged in Italy, it was a similar thing, only the thieves were driving a car, not a scooter. I also held on, and was flipped and landed on the ground and dragged, until I finally let go.

I think you may have a better chance against a scooter - your weight can pull it off balance, and cause the thief to let go.

That's not to say anyone *should* resist in this case - it's dangerous and you can be hurt badly, as Esperanza apparently can attest to.

A part of me says, good on her, though! Tough broads, unite! I hope she get's well soon!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Susanf (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1023) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 2:32 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I tried to edit that, but I was too late. It should be "don't pull a gun if you aren't prepared to use it if need be".

The original phrasing is a tad bloodthirsty.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kelly (Lott) Baum (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1985) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 2:42 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Bloodthirsty tough broads unite!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Susanf (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1025) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 6:24 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

:-) Yeehah!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Glen Reem (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1899) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 7:12 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

To expand on Kelly above, it definitely helps to live in an area that allows both carrying/possessing and use against an intruder.

Here in New England legal use against an intruder inside your house still requires clear proof of immediate physical if not deadly threat to the householder. Any doubt and the householder is at fault.

I prefer the Midwest/Southwest presumption of sufficiently bad intent with breaking and entering.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marabeth Owens (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #337) on Thursday, November 4, 2004 - 7:18 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Yep, me too. If someone is breaking into my home, more then likely there is bad intent and it wasn't just a case of mistaken identity. I pretty much know where my home is, what it looks like, what my furniture looks like, if my key works, if those 4 dogs are mine - you know - stuff like that...

Oh - and ladies - I agree...

Bloodthirsty tough broads UNITE!

 


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