By Roger Burnham (BonaireTalker - Post #31) on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 7:44 am: |
With permission, here are the last sections from the "INCIDENT REPORT" prepared by the victims of the 11 Oct 2004 attack:
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By Jake Richter (Moderator - Post #5219) on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 10:45 am: |
The lack of forensic skills/knowledge is frightening. Friends of ours had their house burgled mid-morning a few weeks ago, and surprisingly a detective actually showed up (the regular Bonaire police themselves are unable for some bureaucratic reason to do investigative work, so that's left to members of the the police department's "recherche" staff). Anyhow, they ended up trying to find fingerprints at the scene of the crime, ending up with one fingerprint that was nowhere near where the burglar was in the house based on the pattern of obvious evidence in the house. However, the recherche detective justified it by saying that was a very well defined and clean fingerprint, and that was the one they were taking into the record (instead of the slightly smudged ones on the window the burglar had forced open, the kitchen knife he had apparently carried around during his theft, etc.). Ridiculous.
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By Debbie Babcock (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #190) on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 1:20 pm: |
I could go on with a whole page of what I think of the Bonaire Police, however, I have just thing to say:
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By Vince DePietro (BonaireTalker - Post #61) on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 5:37 pm: |
OK..So now we know the criminals on the island had a firearm (handgun?) & fired a shot into the residence. Personally, I am a strong pro gun advocate.. When laws strip responsible & law abiding citizens of the right from using firearms in self defense, from having them in the home, the only people in society that have the guns are the criminals. Sadly I realize the laws on Bonaire are quite different from the U.S.
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By Lorraine Bayford (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #159) on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 6:46 pm: |
I'm with you Debbie, Shame on them!!! If this kind on behaviour happened in our towns and cities, the general public would be down their throats in a heart beat. I was shocked before but when I read Roger's post, I am stunned and speachless. I feel so sorry for Bonaire as a country and the people who have to put up with police. On my first trip to Bonaire we had to deal with the police in a minor complaint and I was appauled at the way they treated us. So I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
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By seb schulherr (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1725) on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:15 am: |
OK, well, in 2002 there were 12 violent crimes per 1000 people in British Columbia, Lorraine, so if we posit 10,000 people on Bonaire that would be about 120 violent crimes on Bonaire per year. Which may be the case if there are many unreported crimes against blacks, I do not know. I assume you feel confident in your local police force to investigate crimes and pursue the perps, and further confidence in your courts to mete out a punishment to same, which is why you are not "down their throats" about the level of violent crime where you live. So that is the real problem in Bonaire, the "empty uniforms" police force. And no solution on any near horizon. No throats to go down.
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By Ric Spratlin (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #7) on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 5:38 pm: |
As an annual visitor to Bonaire and a American citizen, I am sick and tired of the police departments lack of experience in handling the crimes committed. From past experiences with crimes being committed against me, I can give the people of Bonaire a sure fire way of changing the islands lack of concern. In one word, MEDIA. What would the politicians and police of Bonaire do if CNN, FOX News, ABC, CBS, NBC, BBC, AP, UPI and Reuters news services all reported this latest crime. The media can be used to get action, I know this as a fact. And the crime I reported to the media was far less important than the beating, robbery and soon to be death of a local citizen or a tourist. It really would not take that much of an effort to get this story reported worldwide. Given the continued crimes committed on the island, myself and my 17 friends will return this New Year's, just as we have done for the last five years in a row. We love the people, the diving, the food, the weather and yes even the damn donkeys. This year I will take extra precautions, which might be illegal on the island but I will take my chances with the customs inspector and the police, instead of relying on the thugs that want to kill me for $50.
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By Wally and Eva (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #580) on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:14 pm: |
Now we have guns on the island....this is not a good development. Let's see...3 or 4 yawning cops with little .380 semi-autos and 1 phone (used primarily to call home), no jail, an entirely un-armed populace and an arming criminal element. And rules and laws promulgated for an urban populace with an established and present law enforcement and judicial system which is completely ineffective in small rural outback environs.
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By Lorraine Bayford (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #161) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 12:09 pm: |
Seb, don't know where you got your stats.
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By seb schulherr (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1726) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 5:08 pm: |
Lorraine, I just did a google search on british columbia crime statistics and found this police report:
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #203) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 5:34 pm: |
A government change will not help at all. It is for many many years the same discussion, Curacao is just not interested in Bonaire ... in any of the other islands. The Central government just forgets every time that it is the Government of the Netherlands Antilles.... what is needed is the change of the Statuut within the Kingdom of The Netherlands ... that was what the referendum was all about and the Bonaireans voted 85% of going out of the Netherlands Antilles ... it will take a few years to change the Statuut... in the mean time we need Dutch police here - normally to be asked by the Central Government, who of course will not do it. So the Bonaire government went last week to Holland to insist on help very soon ... and that is the only thing Bonaire can do at the current time.
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By seb schulherr (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1729) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 5:43 pm: |
Thats what i meant by government change Brigette, change of the Statuut within the Kingdom.
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By Ric Spratlin (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #8) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 5:44 pm: |
As noted in my previous post on this subject, media attention will light a fire under someone's ass. I will be more than happy to begin that process being in the home of CNN. Sadly, we are leaving for Aruba this Friday for 10 days, okay so not sadly. But before I stick out my neck, it would be great to know how the locals feel about the exposure before it happens.
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By Jake Richter (Moderator - Post #5232) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 7:23 pm: |
Heck, Curacao can't handle its own crime problems - shootings, stabbings, robberies, burglaries, etc. go on all the time, brazenly even during the day. Last week the husband of our "adopted" Bonairean daughter who now lives in Curacao with him stopped some guys who pulled truck into their yard and were attempting to steal a full 5' tall propane gas tank. The week before, some guys stole windows from the house being build in back of the property, and then broke into the neighbor's house and stole all sorts of stuff there.
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