I have heard that there was some sort of "sting" in a local neighborhood and several youths were taken into custody. I also heard from a hotelier that Gov. Domacasse held a meeting with the hotels to discuss this serious matter.

This hotelier was VERY pleased that Gov. Domacasse met with the group. Good news!

The kids need something to DO! As well as a future a little brighter that to look foreward to being a hotel maid or gardener.

I don't have a suggestion. I wish I did.

Melissa, very lucky in life.

We can only hope something does come of this, Annie. Maybe the letter campaign helped? I know there was a lot pressure on the local side, too.

Melissa, you are correct. There needs to me more "positive" things done for the kids. They are the future. Carole

Lack of "something to do" is no excuse for crime.

How about donating time to a charity? Or helping with a Big Brother/Big Sister type organization? Playing basketball at the park? Maybe read a book? Ride a bike; help at the church........

When I was growing up, I didn't have anything to do, but I didn't break into cars. We hung out with friends, teased girls, and swaped baseball cards.

Here's an idea: how about having them paint stripes on the street while on work release from the local prison.

These punks are thugs and should dealt with as such. Actually teaching them a hard lesson now might set them on the straight and narrow early enough in life to make them productive citizens.

The really sad part is that I'm sure these punks are in the minority of the youth population. As always, the scum are tainting the image of the majority - I'm sure the vast majority of Bonaire youth aren't crooks.

There is a youth center in Bonaire, which is teaching youngsters about any kind of subject you can imagine, last time I visited, they talked about the subject Aids and its prevention, they struggle of course financially as every good willing organization I know.
check it out: www.jongbonaire.org

It doesn't make them ride on the right track by teaching them a HARD LESSON. They need more options for their future. And parents who are interested in what they are doing.
And Dave, what about punk?
I am not a criminal, I am not using any drugs, I believe in healthy food and no fast food, but I love punk music. Does this now make me a punk in your means? I feel highly misjudged:-)
rock on
silvie

Great news! Thanks 4 sharing Ann!
I'm happy some action is taken and I won't judge the action because I think I cannot do that from here.

While this is awesome news, let's hope that they actually DO something this time. There have been several promises in the past, and well, still nothing... Keeping my fingers crossed, Coach Izzy

Silvi,

Thanks for sharing about Jong Bonaire. This after school program was created for many reasons one being to provide an outlet for kids after school. There are many activities for kids: scuba, windsurfing and more. This is a very impressive program. A group raised millions to build this incredible program. And the neat thing is kids were part of the creation of the program. From what I understand a survey of need was conducted. Well I am not the expert on Jong Bonaire I recognize it's value in the community.

Volunteerism/giving back to the community is a valuable lesson to share with all of our kids. Maggie is off to the donkey sanctuary today with her visiting American friend and Alison Leary. Thanks Barbara for organizing this.

Peace everyone..

Not to throw a damper on what Ann posted at the top of this thread, but as Brigitte would confirm, meetings between the tourism sector with the Lt. Gov. about crime issues have been an at least annual occurrence (and some years much more frequent than that). Meetings are dandy, but visible actions and results are what's really important.

Not being on Bonaire right now due to a business trip, I'd love to hear what's being _done_ (not just being talked about) back home. The sting operation sounds great, but is it official? And if so, what are they going to do with the youths?Ann? Anyone?

Jake

Hello Jake,

My friend's younger brother told me that his older brother saw the police rounding up youths..that kids were running all over the village hiding..Now, indeed, what do they do with them? Can they send them to CUR away from family? Is there a program to rehab. them, offer skills...I dunno..it's easy cash for these youths..BUT, I met with the woman that was robbed at EEG Blvd. She was a former travel client. The offenders came into their rental while they slept..the husband came out and a few were drinking beers at their dining table. And they were not young men...they were in their 20-30's..

As I said, I think thievery becomes an easy way to make money..Same as all the kids here that do the bolito thing...there are lots of young guys that make lots of money doing this..and many are not caught.

This is not isolated to our island..a recent tourist here at Sorobon told me about her island, St. Thomas..same old..BUT we are ready to take action and of course look to the leadership to take action. Programs are needed and a consistent method of rehab and punishment..

Ok, off the soap box..

What is the "bolito thing"?

Sorry, I am sure I spelled it incorrectly. Drug dealers pay young men and women to be courriers..they put cocaine in balloons and the Bolitos swallow the balloons and fly to Holland. There they expel the balloons through their bowels and give the drugs to someone designated over in Holland. The airlines are pretty savvy to who might be suspect. Typical are young males who do not eat or drink during the flight. I read often about people being caught..it's VERY dangerous if the balloon bursts..death is common.

Again, I am no expert here..just what I hear so correct me please anyone..

Ah, ok. I know the description, but hadn't heard a name for it before.

Silvia, I have stayed pretty quiet on this topic, but in reading all the threads, I have kept thinking what you said, these children need parental guidance. There needs to be definite punishment, but I firmly believe it needs to begin at home. I can assure you if my child was involved in any of this, she would be facing a serious problem with her mother !

Carrying bolito's is not the "job" you want to be in these days with the quadrouple checks in Amsterdam. Great that they take the problem seriously, but really annoying for normal tourists landing at 5 in the morning and having to spend around 2 hours to get thru all the security checks.

Now, if KLM would buy Airbus A380s maybe they could fly Amsterdam-South America and reverse nonstop and relieve Bonaire of the drug courier traffic. Now, that would be a step forward.

It's possible that consequences to these crimes might stop these thieves. My goodness who would stop making mega bucks by theft if you have nothing to lose. Make them face consequences and once they realize you won't get away with it.....something will change. Just my opinion.

Yankee word for those guys is "mules". Jackasses is more like it. Mules are to smart to do something like that.

I just received an email from a friend on Bonaire letting me know my letter (sent out about seven or eight copies) about the crime situation on Bonaire was published in full last week in the local paper, EXTRA, and that excerpts from other BT'ers letters were being published, as well. I understand the Headline on that day was a line from my letter. I haven't seen the issue yet as I don't know the exact date it was in the paper. I believe EXTRA is a daily paper.

Wow! I'm speechless. I do hope it makes an impact. Keep sending those letters/emails, folks!!! It must be hitting a cord with some folks on the Island. I was going to resend all of mine again yesterday as I had not received any responses, but, apparently Telbo worked that day and they were transmitted successfully.

I do know the letters were appreciated by our our friend on Bonaire and I feel good that the "real" people of Bonaire know we are fully behind them in the effort to bring the escalating crime to a halt, if at all possible.

Keep up the letter writing campaign, folks!!! Ayo. Carole

PS I just hope my name is not spread around to the "wrong" folks.....uh oh. cb

The Extra (http://www.Extrabon.com) had on
26.7. my open letter to the Gezaghebber
27.7. letter Ann Pheland
28.7. letter from the Bonairean member of parlament to the minister of justice and different short comments from e-mails received
29.7. comments taken from BT
30.7. comments taken from e-mails received
31.7. comments taken from BT
2.8. letter from Mrs. Mercera, member of parlament for the opposition on Bonaire

La Prensa had also about every day something.
The Dutch language news papers Caribbean AD and Amigoe had articles, but shorter and less frequent

In the Extra from tomorrow (4.8. - already on the Internet) are several shorter articles about crime and a long one, based on the letter from Larry Leonard

Brigitte, I didn't know Extra published my letter? I know parts of my letter were in the Dutch political paper..was a little concerned a private letter was published but maybe it helped the cause..I am very optimistic..and hoping for positive change.

Wish I could understand the language.

Kay, I'm with you there on the language!

Glen, KLM skipping Bonaire would be just about the worst that could happen. Those flights have given a tremendous boost to the island economy. Europe accounts for the majority of visitors to this island.

Marc, Relax man. I read Glen's statement as:

If the suppliers were able to ship directly S. America - Amsterdam, they would not be using Bonaire as a stepping stone.

Not that KLM should stop it's Bonaire flights.

Tom, KLM only stops on Bonaire because they can't make the trip to South America in one go; with an Airbus, they could, and then there would no longer be a need for stops on Bonaire. Traffic to Bonaire itself is still too few to justify a direct flight from Amsterdam.

Marc, I didn't realize that. I don't know why I just assumed all those people in Amsterdam wanted to come to Bonaire and that's why they had those giant planes... learned something new today!

By the way, I totally missed you and Kitty with the exception of that brief sighting at Gibis... I still owe you two dinner... will be back soon though I promise.. ;)

Marc,

I understand the boost to your economy from the plane stops themselves but the drug part and its ramifications are killing Bonaire more than the tourists are helping. If that many tourists want to come to Bonaire, KLM will find a way. But, yes, as Tom says, the main point is to find a way to eliminate the drug trafficking through Bonaire.

Ok, my source (the local who was robbed by another local and whose brother saw the sting in a local barrio) said the youth that robbed him was one apprehended in the sting. He thinks they are all going to CUR. Also he said that Bonaire supports the Dutch police / army coming in?? Mr. Booi was on the radio today and I think he said they would have foot and car cops patrolling around..

Keep up the posts..and let's support all new measures..

Bonaire Reporter today has some interesting information, like the $1.5M from Holland for Bonaire police upgrading that is being held up in Curacao, after Holland insisted that the money 'must go through Curacao'. And people wonder where the problem is.

Glen, sorry, but that's simply not true. The trafficing has been brought to a virtual halt and was never a huge problem to begin with. When the direct flights to Amsterdam were started there was an upsurge from trafficers from Curacao who used that route and a couple of Bonairians got tempted as well. One bar was closed after a couple of weeks because drugs were being dealt there. But the control soon got stepped up and now there are fewer trafficers every time. No way do those weigh heavier than some 30.000 tourists per year.
You are correct in your statement that Bonaire's principal problem right now is the Central Government; a lot of improvements are underway, both in money, people and tools, but the (new) Minister of Justice is taking his time in approving them. Don't be surprised if the result of the upcoming Referendum will show that Bonaire prefers to have direct ties with Holland.

Marc,

One of my other favorite islands (Anguilla) had similar problems - they were subject to the whims of St. Kitts.

You can read their story here:

http://website.lineone.net/~bwir/anguilla.htm

Below is a direct quote from that site:

"Though Britains responsibility Anguillans all requests for financial assistance had to go through the central government in St. Kitts. They felt that their requests made for improvements lost their urgency and that funds were siphoned off for other projects in St. Kitts."

I hope the same kind of thing can happen for Bonaire as everyone I know on Anguilla thinks that now being under the direct governing of England is the best thing that could have happened to their island and its people.

Belinda

Hm, hasn't Anguilla chosen to become a full-fledged part of the United Kingdom again? I think that neither Bonaire nor Holland would want that, although economically it would probably be the most the most fruitful option.

Marc,

It is my understanding that they are still a British colony.

Another excerpt from the web page referenced is below:

"An interim agreement in 1971 was followed on 12th February 1976 by a new constitution. It was not until 19th December 1980 that Anguilla was formally separated from St. Kitts and became a British colony again."

There are rumblings about trying to become totally independent but the older people that have been around a while know the benefits of staying under British governing - not the least of which is the availability of funds from Britain for the islands needs.

Belinda

Annie,
here is one point of the summary of actions taken by the governor and the judical system as described in the minutes of the meeting between Governor and representatives of the business and tourism sector:
"Results are expected in August because of letters sent to Minister de Graaff in Holland: Bonaire has asked for Marechaussee for Flamingo Airport so that the police working in the Flamingo Team can return to the police station and work as police officers on the streets"

Don't get your hopes up about the "expected in August". It is just what it says "expectations". We learned over the years you only believe it when you see it. But after all those years I am still hoping.

I think we need the Marechaussees not only at the airport helping with the drug trafficers. Before we had the problem our police didn't solve any crimes either.

did...ah ...I get quoted anywhere?

No Dave, carry on

Marion, regarding the Marechaussee: that is something that Holland has already agreed to too, but is another point that's being held up in Curacao at the moment.

I really appreciate the Bonarians contributing to this topic on BT, as they are the ones that live on island and know first hand what news is coming out, and what the situation is. Thanks folks

No geodave go back under your rock.

:-)

ah, the air was so fresh and clear on this
thread until now. Now we've got pollution.

Carl

Seems to me that there are two problems that have gotten mixed up here. One is the drug problem, which causes so much harm to 'locals' everyplace on Earth. The other problem is the few unsupervised children on Bonaire with nothing better to do than get into gangs and have fun and profit thieving.

It's the children stealing from 'tourists' that are causing Bonaire to lose visitors bringing their money to the Island.

When I reported my dive gear loss, which was never found or returned, I was dissapointed in my experience with the police, I'm sad to say. The children were defended. The computer froze up, so my report wasn't completed, or filed.

I learned later that children under sixteen can be held for six hours, maximum, then they are released, 'scot free'. Older than sixteen might be sent to Curacao to a detention center, a jail of sorts, I presume.

Once again, I have no suggestions as to a solution for those few who don't have the luck to have loving, nurturing parents and families.

Cheers,

Melissa

A firing squad perhaps? Okay okay just kidding... just posting it before my buddy Dave could... lol

Nice to see you lurking around by the way.

Hi Mel,

Long time no talk. I guess one possible idea short of the firing squad (which still has merit in my mind)is what MANY local USA communities do with the little rascals. Community Service WORK Detail as a sentence for those under 16. All it costs is a pointed stick and a trash bag and the highways and beaches can be litter free throughout the whole island. Maybe throw in an appropriately labelled humiliating orange vest to serve as an advertisement for others who prefer to stray from social morality. I'd pay an extra $5 in marine park tax to help pay for the vests and sticks. If you are old enough to carry away stolen goods, you are old and healthy enough to clean the streets.

Just a non-violent thunk on a cool Tuesday in Chicago. Although let's not completely give up on that firing squad. I'd contribute the same $5 for bullets too. lol

Agreed Randy, the southern areas of Bonaire could use some cleaning. Now, that is a positive step! Coach Izzy

Randy,

It has been especially chilly in our area. Today is no exception. I don't really like it. It's August afterall.

I have been following most of the crime threads on this board and am just floored at some of the stories I have read.

The stories do put a damper on how I view the island and my past experiences with it. I really don't want my view of Bonaire to change, but it's hard to avoid the thoughts.

I don't have any experience in politics, law enforcement, Dutch laws, or what it is like to live on Bonaire as a normal everyday citizen.

However, I try and look at this situation from many viewpoints.

1) From the criminals perspective, they see what they perceive as wealthy tourists coming to their island, probably wealthy on their standards and its almost like a Robin Hood scenario. Steal from the rich to benefit the 'poor'. I'm not sure about the crime rate within the communities amongst the citizens, all I hear about is the tourism crimes. Maybe someone can tell me...

I've never been in that situation before so I don't know what it's like, or even if I am remotely right on why they steal. Do they sell what they steal to support their families, or just keep the items to use? Are people really poor in Bonaire? Do they look at it this way?

2)Law Enforcement Perspective, these are my people, the people I live with, share this island with, we live here....you are just visiting. This is not your island, this is ours, our laws, our rules, our society..not yours. Why should I be soo willing to help a visitor over my own people? These visitors have money, theft won't hurt them.
Lets keep the crime rate low enough so people will still visit the island, afterall we do need money, but lets not forget our citizens.

3)Tourists perspective, I have paid money to visit this island for my vacation. I worked for this money and I expect a nice trip. I expect the people of Bonaire to welcome me to their island as I am spending my vacation here, my money! If there is a theft, I expect the Police to do what they can to help me. I want to have a hassle free vacation.
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I have no idea the reality of this crime situation, or if I am even close in my perspectives..the only perspective I have a right to be firm on is the tourist perspective as I am one.

Most of us really care about Bonaire and want to always have great experiences there. All the people I know on Bonaire are very nice people and all the interactions I have had were positive.

However, posting on a message board to express your feelings about this issue, like I have done, will get nothing accomplished. I suppose writing to the newspapers, officials etc might raise an eyebrow or two, thats if enough people do it. If tourism rates to the island don't drop significantly, what motive do the officials of Bonaire have to change?
Are we willing to visit other islands for vacation? Would enough people do this to even have an impact or be noticed?

We could all pick one month to not go... see if that has any impact?? (as long as it's not one of the months I'm planning to be there) lol

LOL Kelly! Any month but March and April works for me :-)

Belinda

Any month but March works for me too :-)

any month but January.. I will be there!!!

Shoulda known what I was starting.. lol

Any month but July and December/January and possible April next year.

Interesting comment....I heard quite a number of grumblings from some contractors on the lack of help. Lots of construction going on on the island while I was there. Most of the workers I saw were in their 40's or older. The contractors couldn't find enough people to work....seems the younger (TV watching) guys didn't want to do construction work.

PS I consider myself a construction worker....started swinging a hammer professionally at 14...swung that steel all the way through University and for many years after.

Fascinating. If that's true, it kinda shoots down the "it's society's fault (i.e. unemployment)" argument.

I saw lots of guys working like mules in the summer sun myself. At least fifteen jobsites and the concrete mixer on the right side of the road a ways south of the traffic circle didn't seem to stop for days.

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You see, the crime issue in Bonaire is not that serious.....I have a trip planned and I'm going...you all have a trip planned and are going. Surely if you felt endangered you wouldn't go...

There is no problem, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

"These are not the droids you are looking for."

Yes, teaching construction to the kids! The island seems to be focused on teaching the hotel industry. Construction will always be here. We recently noticed the tremendous "boom" in construction on the island - unfortunately, most of those workers are from South America. Construction on Bonaire is a "craft". Just look at the detailing in the concrete work, walls, tiling, even the decorative "bars", etc. It's fascinating.

Wally, next career perhaps? "Bonaire Trade and Craft School"....

Again, I think you who post without having driven around the hot, dusty, dirt-roaded residential areas up in the hills where many Bonarians live just don't know what's up. Sorry, don't get insulted.

Little or no future for the children, compared to 'us'.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm safer on Bonaire than my brother who's in the States. He's lived a 'normal' life, being as careful as anyone here, and he's been car jacked, and mugged in a Hyatt parking lot. Owell! And driving on those freeways! Not for me.

I take care. After watching one group of kids casing the Harbour Village Marina, I figure they have fun being a gang. It must make them feel tough and important. They are probably doing a Robin Hood just to get themselves new shoes, clothes, and boomboxes, and having a thrill in the meantime. Poverty is no fun.

I wore a "SCUBA!" tee shirt one day, and folks gave me hard looks and were not as friendly. I usually dress like the old ladies there, long pants and a loose shirt. Sometimes I'm spoken to in Papiamento, which I take as a compliment, even tho' a mistake. If I wasn't 3/4 deaf, I'd be learning the language!

Finally, imprisonment and nearly worse, humiliation, is NOT the answer. Sheesh, I'm amazed at the suggestion. A big American living here on St. Croix humiliated a short, poor Crucian in a bar one night. The Crucian came back at the big guy a few days later, with a machette. Several people were hurt, and the big guy has amazing scars all over his head from being chopped. He had nerve/brain troubles for a while, but he mostly recovered. You DON'T humiliate anyone! It only creates the most poisonous hatred.

Yes, the little guy had to go to jail for a while for his temperous pride. But at least he had a clean place to sleep, and regular meals!

Count your blessings.

Melissa

The hotel industry offers the kids much better potential for higher paying jobs than the manual labor of construction. Construction workers are not well-paid here.

Our high school level chef school has world class opportunities including studying in Italy. Students can also go on to hotel studies in their college years in Curacao or Holland for other areas like management which could bring them back to the islands.

No, poverty isn't fun, but it's also not an excuse to rob others for a thrill, or even for a pair of shoes. I just don't buy that logic. Nine times out of ten, if you have the desire to better yourself, you can. You can find opportunities. I firmly believe that life is about choices and consequences. It sounds simple, but there is no excuse or rationalization for stealing from others.

I'm curious why someone would watch a gang case a place and do nothing (you don't mention telling anyone - sorry if I'm assuming something that's not the case.)

I would hope that anyone seeing this would let Harbour Village people know, and maybe let the police know, not think "Isn't that precious? They're having fun being a gang!!"

If not, my thoughts: Enable much?

Linda, yes you're right, but Bonaire has yet to see any significant amount of those kids coming back to Bonaire. When they see what the world has to offer, it is very tempting to go on to a bigger place. And the hotel/chef industry is not for everyone.

Manual labor can have pride to a local person who otherwise would be on the streets. Giving those jobs to outsiders makes the Bonairian feel even less worthy and resentful. It's a downward spiral. My suggestion is to teach the trade (it IS a trade on Bonaire vs. manual labor of construction in the states)and keep the jobs on the island.

I've been reading these posts and threads a lot.

There is no change it will be an easy to solve problem , because it is not just one singular problem.

IMHO , bottom line : no freebees and no easy buck.

If it could only be clear to any upcoming criminal youngster that there is no easy buck to be made in crime and dope running.
Hit them where it hurts , take away the "profit" they make . And keep doing that .
Meanwhile offer an alternative: meaningfull labour that creates profit and respect.

Somehow they , or better we , have to get that in to their heads : there are no freerides !!!

Remember : you can not keep excluding a group or generation without paying the price for it in the end.

jos.

Everyone has a suggestion to help the crime issue. No one can effect change, if the criminals themselves aren't interested in changing. It's time for everyone to stop making excuses for these criminals, that's what they are, and let them either make the changes in their lives or accept the consequences. I just have a problem with saying "well the hotel industry just isn't for me, and it's really hot and I don't make much money, so I don't want work construction, but I need a new pair of shoes, so I'll go steal them". That's just perpetuating the cycle if you believe that's a valid excuse.

Well said Kelly!

Belinda

Kelly ,

I am suddenly struck by some brain activity , yeah I know , it hurts

Doesn't "Kitten" deserve , let's see , a month of "working-holiday" on a little cosy Island to sort out some "juvenile" problems???
Saw his Picture , read his profile , and most important : wouldn't it be nice for you to have a excuse to be back on Bon on short notice ???

Just a thought, thinking mode off, back to work .
( hey , that's ironic;-))

Jos, don't think I haven't already thought of that. Gotta get the Kitten there first, then I'll start working on him for a "retirement job".

I'm on it, mister. lol

It is interesting to note that some of the thieves in Belnem are attending the medical
school.

And lawyers used to have the best reputations
as thieves. <sigh>

Carl

Carl, did I miss something? (the thieves are medical students???)

Susanf,

Yes, I did tell Carlos, the manager, the next morning when the office was open. The kids had been there after closing time. But by then marina's dingy had been stolen.

I do not want to be singled out as a target by revengeful robbers. I wanted to pop on deck and take photos of the kids, but figured it would be useless. "So you photographed some kids, so what?"

The docks have locked gates now. So now my friends cannot come visit me.

I don't mean to be sounding like I'm defending bad behavior. I just understand the hopelessness and resentfulness that must be the cause. It'd be nice if every last parent was of highest morals and example.

Cheers,

Melissa

Lots of good intentioned conversation - well meaning but open ended
the only thing that's going to cause a reaction which will be effective is when then delinquents finally poach one too many goodies and cause the tourist business to drop, which, in turn will cause Mommy and Daddy to loose income and the local government to loose face.
Until it reaches that level,keep on your toes

Cynde

Some of the thieves in Belnem, not all of them,
are med students, at both med schools.

Apparently this was in the media down there and reported to me by friends who live in Sabana.

Carl

Hi Melissa,
I'm not trying to put you on trial here, but I wonder why you didn't call the police? It was "suspicious activity", after all.

Granted, the police response time back then might have given you reason to think, "why bother?", but you may have caught them on a good day.

And this is a question for residents: I see in the Bonaire Reporter every week (at least for the last month or so) a paragraph that asks people to report all suspicious activity to the police, and that they can remain anonymous. Is this new policy, or has it always been the case that the person calling in a report can remain anonymous?

If a new policy, I can almost see why people were loathe to do so: they could be identified, but the criminals' identities were protected by law. Sheesh.

Med school students, not 'poverty stricken Bonaireans taking their due from rich tourists'?? So much for one modern social theory.

And, as said differently above, this might be the doctor I go to in the future??? Think 'Medicare fraud' and 'malpractice insurance costs' not to mention competence as a physician. Maybe there are good reasons why those particular students were not accepted at 'real' med schools.

But med school students might make the solution easier: I would think they can be 'exported' for violation of the terms of their being on the island. Don't need to wait for prison space. Wonderful for their new, or old, home space but 'Bonaire first'.

Carl, thanks for the clarification...Glen, I think you have a good idea...kick them out of school and send them home.

I guess they need laptops.....cb

Great idea Nadine. Wally's School. Learn how to build stuff.

Actually I was thinking more along the line of a little world class factory over on the east side on 150 acres I looked at over there (I think I drove every 2 path rode on the island). Wind powered gensets for off grid electricity. Epoxy resin from Venazula, glass from Brazil, cores from Holland. Some autoclaves from New Zealand. Build the best wind boards in the world. Recruit the Bonariean wizz kids away from the California builders to promote and test. Bring everything in in containers....ship the boards out in the empties. 100 boards a day, 4 days a week, 40 weeks a year. Anybody want to invest?

Wally..u jest??

And is this a fact about the medical students?? This is serious allegations..I heard nada..

Nice idea Wally, check your email.