|By Cynde (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #8237) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 7:27 pm:|
I just pinched this off the D2D board...is this true???
|By Anthony Cooper (BonaireTalker - Post #35) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 9:21 pm:|
Cynde - DocV does seem to be well wired and as a journalist (arguably, I guess, but he does write a regular column for Rodale's) I suppose he has some responsibility for accuracy. Would love to know his source. How about some word from the on-island folks. What are the arguments/sentiments...pro and con? Inquiring minds want to know.
|By Kate Hickson (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #166) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 3:24 pm:|
I spoke to Marina (who runs the donkey sanctuary) back in March. She told me that that was the plan. They will have MANY acres to roam free, not be abused, starve, or be hit by cars. The males will be sterilized (as the current population is somewhat inbred) and they will buy frozen sperm for future generations. You may also purchase a number of hectares in your name (or in memory of someone) for something around $3,000.00 (??) as a means of buying up more land for the sanctuary. Anyone have more updated details?
|By Cynde (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #8247) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 4:00 pm:|
Kate, that is great news! Thank you for posting this!
|By Marc @ CrystalVisions (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1165) on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:11 am:|
Kate, as you tell it, that's still the plan.
|By Ann Phelan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1205) on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 4:45 pm:|
Yup, it's in Bonaire Reporter today so check it out..Sperm banks for Donkey's? Now there is a business to get into...
|By spongebob (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1112) on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 5:13 pm:|
donkey sperm bank;)
|By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #116) on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 9:21 pm:|
Wonderful news... BUT where is all this money going to come from ??? and when. Who is going to purchase the land needed to support 300 plus donkeys. Who is going to pay for Vet services, NONE of this is free. Marina's offering of $3000.00 to "purchase" a donkey is a great idea, few people realize how much she has given up to support these animals and how much resistance she has encountered from the Goverment.
|By Pauline Kayes (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #15) on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 12:50 pm:|
Yes, this plan was approved by the commission appointed to investigate the donkey problem on Bonaire. Some land has already been purchased but funds and workers for the fencing promised by the government need to be forthcoming so that the land can be fenced in and donkeys, especially mothers and babies, can be brought in to be protected. In the past four weeks alone, Marina has dealt with donkeys killed on the roads, a baby donkey attacked by dogs who were provoked by humans to do so, and several donkeys being abused by other humans. So, the sooner fencing can be purchased and put up, the fewer donkeys will be left to be abused, injured, and killed. I am sure Marina will welcome any donations to make this possible. In addition, if you are on the island, she would also appreciate physical help on the sanctuary itself.
|By Cynde (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #8264) on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 1:22 pm:|
Pauline, when Kelly and I were there, we were going to stop by the Sanctuary on our no dive day and donate some funds. Well, that hurricane came through and we tried to get to the sanctuary but the road was flooded. Is there a way to donate money from the states?
|By Pauline Kayes (BonaireTalker - Post #16) on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 5:54 pm:|
Hi Cynde, That would be a great idea! And it would really help the situation as every time a donkey is injured Marina is taking the responsibility to care for it, which is taking a toll on her physically, emotionally, and financially.
|By Cynde (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #8271) on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 6:19 pm:|
Pauline, I will get the campaign going
|By Sarah (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1948) on Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 5:05 pm:|
Into Washington Slagbaai Park?
|By jan van der List (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 5:28 pm:|
donkey problem is drivers problem
|By Pauline Kayes (BonaireTalker - Post #20) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 5:45 pm:|
Hi jan, With all due respect, I agree that drivers are the problem, but Marina and others have try to educate about driving too fast and enforce the speed limit to no avail. (Some drivers who have hit donkeys have even asked Marina to pay for their damaged cars!) Still, at least once a week a donkey is injured or killed on the road. And then there is the problem of baby donkeys being taken from their mothers, abused, etc., which is a whole different problem not related to drivers. If you think taking care of sick and injured donkeys--feeding them and providing veterinary care--is a business, please ask Marina how much it costs to maintain one donkey for a year. I can assure you that she is not making money! And now there are 77 rescued donkeys at the sanctuary!
|By Marc @ CrystalVisions (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1168) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 4:44 pm:|
The donkeys cause way more trouble than just traffic accidents. I'll leave it at that.
|By Kate Hickson (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #169) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 1:09 am:|
|By Kitty @ CrystalVisions (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #272) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:32 am:|
Kate, if you do a search on BonaireTalk on this subject, you'll get loooooong discussions solely dedicated to the donkeys... I guess that's why Marc left it at what he did....
|By seb schulherr (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #857) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:45 am:|
Kate, they are all mean drunks, and they'll do just about anything to get one of those straw hats with holes for their ears.
|By Pauline Kayes (BonaireTalker - Post #21) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:29 pm:|
Hi Marc, You suggest that the donkeys cause a whole lot of trouble on Bonaire. So what are your proposals for solving the problems? A Safari Park seems a humane solution for stopping all the donkey related problems. So, for those wanting to decrease donkey-related problems, supporting the Safari Park with money and volunteer time seems the right thing to do.
|By Cynde (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #8341) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:44 pm:|
Pauline, take Marc and Kitty's advise and leave it at that. As Kitty stated, do a search and you will see LONG threads on the subject, both pros and cons. I say, at this point, the BT Donkey Adoption is a positive thing that those of us who want to help Marina and the donkey's can do is great...and I'll leave it at that
|By Marc @ CrystalVisions (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1170) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 11:07 am:|
The Safari park option is what I've always been in favour of, even in those looooooong threads . That, and neutering.
|By Dave Goodwin (BonaireTalker - Post #29) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 12:03 am:|
When are they going to build an Iguana Safari Park?
|By Ann Phelan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1210) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 10:48 am:|
Mags and I went to the Sanctuary Wed. to visit. I truly am all over the place with this discussion. It's clear no matter what your view is, everyone has the best interest in mind for the donkeys.
|By Carole Baker (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2537) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 1:24 pm:|
Amen, Annie! We are having the same problems in overpopulated and overdeveloped New Jersey....it's the humans (the encroachers) vs the Bears. I'm rooting for the bears! They are setting up a big bear hunt soon to kill off 10,000....yes, 10,000 bears in the small, tiny state of New Jersey. A bit of overreacting?? Yes. Too many people in this area without a doubt. One of the main reasons we LOVE Bonaire is of its small popluation of humans and its supply of critters.... Such a refreshing change from our NJ area. I am voting for the donkeys. Joe and I support them every year by adopting one and it helps the others out, too. Go Donkeys! Carole
|By Dave Goodwin (BonaireTalker - Post #31) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 10:31 pm:|
I'm betting that the bears are going to lose...... just a hunch.
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