There have been some amazing underwater photographs posted on this board lately, by some talented photographers.

I currently have a Nikonos V setup, but want to upgrade to a housed system. I am debating whether to go digital, or stick with 35mm.

The new Nikon Coolpix 5000 digital camera has received rave reviews, but many people like their housed 35mm cameras.

If anyone cares to share about what you use, why you like it (or dislike it), etc., I'd love to have your input.

I'm heading to Bonaire on November 30, so I am anxious to choose my new system.

Thanks!

Whirlwind

Peggy

I guess the decision between 35mm and Digital is what you want to do with pictures, if you want to enter competitions then often they are open only to 35mm slide. I know that seperate Digital competitions are starting up too.

Other than that I personally fell 35mm slide gives better quality pictures - but Digital is catching up. Biggest strentgh for Digital is that it is cheaper (Film and developing costs are just the price of various forms of memory and a one off cost) and its easier to get the pictures into your computer. I still have a cardboard box full of slides to scan in from last year and this years holidays.

Hope that helps

Brian

Jake

Heres an idea - how about a BT Photo Comp open to both 35mm and digital pics.

Maybe no reworking or perhaps limited computer enhancement.

I am glad to see that your new camera is working well

Brian

Peggy, your choice would depend on your experience level and your commitment to film. I made the same choice a couple of years ago, and went digital. Actually, I planned on shooting both digital and my Nikonos, but over the course of a few trips, I decided carrying the Nikonos around and not using it was pointless.

I shoot the Olympus C-4040Z camera in an Olympus PT-010 housing with Sea & Sea YS-90DX strobes. It is a great system and I have had a ball with it. Today, I would have to look very closely at the Nikon CP-5000 (but it wasn't even on the market when I bought mine).

I have been so absorbed by digital underwater photography that I have built a website devoted to its discussion and education. You can take a look at my shots, read some educational articles, and join the discussions with digital photographers at http://www.digitaldiver.net Please take a look and feel free to ask questions there or back here.

Well, I've never entered any photography contests (although I DO have some great shots).

Truthfully, I never thought I'd be interested in "converting" to digital. But the limitations of the Nikonos system have gotten tiring. I've missed some great shots because those darned framers just won't fit everywhere. And I'll never forget the time I had the camera set up for macro and an eagle ray came almost close enough to touch. Arg.

Also, some of the digital images I've seen lately have such sharp focus and eye-popping colors that they seem to rival the quality of my 35mm fujichrome slides. And the digital housings seem a bit more compact than housings for the 35mm cameras.

I am very "unknowledgeable" about digital, though. What to do with the images after they are captured will be a learning process. The computer programs required, storing, manipulating, etc. Any insight into this arena will also be appreciated. What other equipment would I have to have?

My usual habit on dive trips in the past has been to shoot with my Nikonos during the day, then develop the days worth of slides in my room at night. A fun hobby that I've greatly enjoyed.

If I did opt for a 35mm housed system, are there any recommendations?

Oh, and Digitaldiver.net is a great site! Thank you for taking the time and effort to create it. I've spent a good bit of time lately reading everything that you've got there.

Peggy

Also note the Olympus C-5050z is coming out next week and the PT-015 towards the end of the month. It’s a 5 mega pixel pro/consumer camera that looks to have all of the nice features of the 4040, plus a bit more. Of course the Nikon is a great choice too.

There’s also a digital contest this coming week in Bonaire Link to digital shootout info.

Digital is certainly more desirable than ever and for ease of use and sharing your pictures you can’t beat it.

Here’s two of my favorite sites on digital cameras http://www.digideep.com/ and http://www.dpreview.com/

However with all that said, my suggestion is you might just want to hold on to your Nikonos V setup, as Brian said, you can’t beat a good slide, at least yet.

The quality of digital cameras will probably double in the next two years from improved technology, but why wait, life’s too short.

Have a great trip!

Oh, another reason to sell the Nikonos - - have one camera that can "do it all", above the water and below. Less stuff to carry on trips.

it's pretty expensive to get that 5 megapixel digital ready for underwater use...i'm pretty sure sticking with your nikonos would be the thing to do.

i suspect the immediate feedback one gets from a digital may actually help to make one a better photographer so perhaps that is some more justification...

in my case, mom simply said i can't even attempt to get her nikon wet...so i went digital

(yet to get wet however)

I see very very few reasons for not going digital.

From a cost perspective (including initial cost), digital is a much much better choice.

From a picture quality point of view, unless you're printing big blowups, there isn't much difference either.

Plus with digital you fix the image on the computer - try that with 35 ml.

Darryl

I sold my housed Nikon 8008s system earlier this year, but kept my Nikonos V rig. And now, having gone to both digital video and digital stills underwater, I think it was the right move, but I say that guardedly. Much of it comes down to how much you are willing to plunk down on a system of any sort. You can get by if you're really good and willing to live with on-camera lighting limitations by going the route Ellen Muller has with the Sony P family and Sony's housings. If you want more, it's going to cost. If I could justify the dollars, I might have gotten the Gates housing for my Sony F707, which would have set me back about $3500 (vs about $2000 retail) for the more limited Ikelite housing I got including the strobe. That's not including the camera, extra digital film, batteries, chargers, etc. (easily another $1200-1500).

I definitely produced better pictures with my housed camera, and there are shots I could get with my housed camera I know I'll never get with my current digital rig even when I finally get all of its quirks figured out, but on the flip side, I get immediate feedback and avoid the costly (here on Bonaire) process of developing slides (and the extra time invested going to/from the photo shop, mounting my chosen slides, and then scanning them in - the time savings alone are enormous (and less chemicals to pollute the world too).

It's a tough call, and definitely an individual call - different for each person.

As far as a BT photo contest - neat idea, but I would need more time than I have to do it properly.

Jake

Peggy,

If you decide to go digital, Nikon has a one day class on digital photograpy. They have classes all over the US. I don't know where you live but you may want to check out their website.
http://www.nikonschool.com/

I attended their photograpy class and found it to be real educational and quite informative.
I must say I enjoy my digital cameras.

The choice between digital and film is still a matter of pixels, and how much you need of them. If you want to print your photos and hang them on the wall, a resolution of 300 dpi is needed to get photo-like quality (and a good printer of course ). If you translate that to megapixels, you'd need over 8 Mp to fill an A4 print (or Letter format) and 17 Mp for an A3.

17 Mp digital sensors don't exist yet. Canon has just launched their new pro SLR, the 1Ds, which has an 11 Mp full-frame sensor (full-frame meaning that the sensor is equal in size to a 35mm frame). Kodak has even developed a 14 Mp SLR... so digital is getting there fast. However, these cams will require a second mortgage for most people.

Scanning does give you the resolution required for large sized prints, with a 3600 or even 4000 dpi filmscanner. Another advantage of film is that there are many to choose from, and each film will give different results... and new ways to experiment.

Underwater though, I would choose digital. I think the advantages of being able to check your shot immediately and shooting and storing more than just 36 pics before having to go up, outweigh the benefits of film.

Thanks for all of the comments and insight, I do appreciate it.

I will check out the Nikon classes, that does sound interesting.

And I've got a question for Jake. You said "there are shots I could get with my housed
camera I know I'll never get with my current digital rig even when I finally get all of its quirks figured out." How was your housed rig "better" than your digital setup? What limitations have you discovered with the digital rig?

If I opted to go with a housed 35mm camera system (instead of digital), what are some recommendations on that end? I have an old Canon EOS Rebel S, but would probably get a new Nikon (I hear the N90s is a good choice, but haven't researched it that much yet).

I have one other question that will really expose my ignorance on the subject of digital photography. Do those of you who use digital take your laptops on vacation with you, or do you just take enough memory cards to last until you get home?

Thanks again, everyone!

Peggy

Peggy,

I have an Olympus 3000Z and the Pt-010 housing and I love it! I've just upgraded my system by adding a strobe, but even without it it takes great pictures. We also have a Sea & Sea MX-10 which my husband prefers, but I wonder if it's because I won't let him have the digital

It's great to get instant feedback so you can re-take a shot if you need to. The only drawback is the lag time. Digitals need to "think" for a second before they actually "snap" a picture, but once you're used to it, you can kind of plan for it.

Good luck making your decision. It's a fun one to make!

Let us know the outcome.

Marc,

With a decent source image and cool software like LizardTech's GenuineFractals, I can take a 5MPixel image from my Sony F707 and blow it up to a poster size without any noticable quality change/loss.

Peggy - my housed camera allowed me to switch lens (and ports on the housing). With all prosumer digital cameras out now (and I don't consider the Nikon D100 or D1/D1x as prosumer - those are pro cameras), you're stuck with whichever lens the camera is equipped with. For such digital cameras in a housing, the best you can do is add on external lens to provide wide angle, better macro, whatever - still not the same optically as changing lenses on a house camera. Also, not all housings/digital cameras offer the ability to even add on external lenses (for the F707, Ikelite doesn't offer that, but Gates does (at nearly twice the price)).

And yes, I traveled to England with my notebook this summer most so I could just copy my photos from my Memory Sticks onto my notebook hard drive :-)

Jake

Too many things to think about here!

Many of you are using the Sony F707 and seem to like it. So last night I compared it to the Nikon Coolpix 5000, which is the one I had sort of "pre-selected". The cameras are very similar in their features.

The Nikon is a bit smaller, and has a better "wide angle" capability. (the Nikon lens is a 28-85 versus the Sony which has a 38-190). This may make the Nikon better for underwater use. But the Sony has a much more powerful zoom, and seems like it would be a better "land camera" than the Nikon, and therefore more versatile on vacations.

If using an Ikelite housing, both have a wide-angle adapter available.

Arg!

Peggy

Peggy, I think you may have drawn a conclusion from too small a sample.

Jake and other 707 shooters are blazing new trails, and paying a price. I am not a 707 user, nor have I even handled one for more than a few minutes. I think it is a fine camera topside, but its brief history with underwater photography is full of horror stories. Lighting seems to be the big issue. Jake is not the only person struggling to get the strobe to fire in sync with the shutter, and the solution does not seem to be simple.

The CP-5000 has more housings available than any other digital camera on the market, with a broad spread of price ranges, from reasonable to fully featured but extravagant.

The Olympus C-4040 has several housings available, including one that sells for around $250.00 and can accept both wide angle and macro adapter lenses.

If it were my decision to make, it would probably come down to those two.

But, to confuse you even more, if you are considering an N90, you should consider the D100 Digital SLR. The body would be slightly more expensive than the N90, but the cost of lenses would be the same (same lenses) and the cost of the housing would be the same.

Lots of choices. I would like to be in your position! I love my 4040, but when I got it, there were hardly any other choices. Of the ones discussed so far, the only one I would try to steer you away from is the 707.

Well, this is the first negative I've read about the Sony 707. It's optical zoom, and it's "night vision" is also superior to the Nikon CP, so I had really started to place it above the Nikon on my wish list. The Sony camera controls seem alot more organized and well-thought-out. And for basic "tourist" land photography, the 38-190 would give more options.

What may be causing the lighting problems you mentioned? Any thoughts on that?

Don't think I have unlimited funds to spend on this new setup, I only wish that were true. This new acquisition will be funded from selling other cameras that I own. I have found buyers for my two Nikonos V outfits, and an old Canon AE-1 Program outfit. I'll probably still be a couple of hundred bucks short, but that's not too bad.

Right now I want something for great underwater photography. It's like anything else, there are always compromises and tradeoffs. That's what makes the selection process so hard!

Later on I'd like to upgrade my land camera outfit, but I doubt I'll be able to afford what I want in the digital line. But that's for later. Right now I am concentrating on an underwater digital to take to Bonaire on November 30.

One other thing that I didn't mention is that in a few years I plan to leave work and live on a sailboat. With limited space on the boat, digital makes even more sense.

Now if I could just win the lottery.....LOL!

Peggy

Peggy,

I actually bought the F707 because I wanted a really good land digital camera that I might be able to use underwater. If I were buying a digital camera for use primarily underwater and possible on land, I'm pretty sure I would not have purchased the F707. I wanted something smaller than a film camera, so I would not have bought a Nikon D100 either. I would have probably leaned in the directions Jeff suggests - a CP-5400 (5000 is old technology :-) ) or the new Olympus, since the UW housing support for Nikon and Olympus cameras is a lot stronger than for Sony.

BTW, experimentation yesterday shows that I appear to be able to get the F707 and DS125 strobe combination to work at f8 & 1/250, which seems to be enough to force most of the light on my subjects (if they are close by) to be from the strobe, so that's a step in the right direction...

Jake

Actually, while on the subject of the F707, if anyone is coming down soon I need a 37mm to 58mm step up converter ring (I have access special lens designed for a 37mm lens mount screw in socket which I want to try on my F707, which has a 58mm thread). The 37mm portion should have threading on the inside (to accept a lens with the 37mm exterior thread), and the 58mm portion should have an exterior thread to mate with the interior thread of the F707. I hope that makes sense. It may be necessary to combine two step up rings (37->46 and 46->58), but I need the small height profile possible. Should be between $5-15...

Thanks in advance!

Jake

Interesting information, thanks for the insight.

At first glance, I did like the CP5700 more, because of the more powerful zoom (35-280). Other than that, it is very similar to the 5000.

The Ikelite site has the following to say about the 5700 (this information, and what I saw and heard at DEMA are what led me to look at the CP5000 in the first place):

"A housing for the newest Nikon Coolpix 5700 will be available during November. This new camera offers many dazzling features, but may not be as versatile and adaptable to underwater photography as the Nikon Coolpix 5000 with its wider angle and
smaller lens.

The exotic 35-280mm equivalent zoom lens of the Coolpix 5700 provides superb capabilities above water, but the lens diameter and distance it moves in and out limits the addition of optional lenses. The wider angle 28-85mm zoom lens of the Coolpix 5000 is a better choice underwater, and its design allows addition of the superb 19mm Nikon lens and 20mm wide angle lenses from Inon or Sea & Sea."

Hhmmm, sounds like good information. But is Ikelite just trying to sell accessories?

I'll let y'all know what I decide. And maybe I'll have some good photos to show everyone after my upcoming trip. My mission is to find (and photograph) a frogfish. A seahorse would be nice, too..... : )

Peggy

Jake, if you can help me to understand exactly what it is you need (37mm to 58mm step up
converter ring), I'll be happy to bring it down to you.

Is this something that Wolf camera might carry? Check out their website and see if you can find what you need. Their main showroom is only 10 minutes from my workplace. (www.wolfcamera.com)

If it's not on the website I'll drive over there at lunch one day and hopefully a salesperson can help me to find what you need.

Peggy

Peggy,

Print out my message for the guys at Wolf camera and they may very well be able to get you what I described. That would be easiest :-)

Thanks very much!

Jake

PS What Ikelite says about the wider angle and easier lens accessory support for the CP5000 is true relative to the CP5700 (which is what I meant by the CP5400 I referred to earlier - mental slip).

I'll go to Wolf Camera one day next week and hopefully I can get what you need.

I'll keep you posted : )

Peggy

Followup on some other discussion... the Coolpix 5700 is probably good head-to-head competition against the Sony 707. The 5000 is older.

That said, I talked with a few housing vendors at DEMA and there's some concern the 5700 won't make as good an underwater camera as the 5000. The 5700 has a substantially better optical zoom, which makes it better above water, but that is a potential liability underwater where wide angle is key. The Light & Motion housing for the 5000 looks VERY nice. If I were to buy something today, that's what it would be.

What would make me happiest, though, is a "Nikonos D", if Nikon could be talked into building such... a Nikonos body which was digital. I would REALLY like to use my existing lenses, and for a number of reasons I find working with a dedicated amphibious camera is a real plus over housings. Just my opinion.

Daniel, don't hold your breath for an amphibious digital. Nikon abandoned the underwater market by selling off their housing division and pulling the plug on the Nikonos. The underwater market is tiny, and as fast as digital cameras change, there is no way that a profit driven company can justify designing an amphibious one.

Peggy, I don't think Ike is blowing smoke with his statement. The 5700 would be like hooking a thoroughbred to a harness racing sulky. Great horse, wrong race. If you could have seen the buzz at DEMA over the 5000, your decision would be much easier. EVERYBODY is housing the 5000, there must be a reason.

Jake, I wish you had brought up your adapter ring earlier in the week. I am leaving in the morning headed your way. Sounds like Peggy will get you covered in a couple weeks, though.

I'll try posting an image here.

Peggy, I think this may be what you are after.

/image{frogfish}

Try this again:

I was at DEMA, and that's what "fueled my fire" so to speak for a digital camera. One of my habits (don't know if it's good or bad) is to research things to the "nth degree" before I part with any of my hard earned money. I tend to take very good care of things and keep them for a long, LONG time. That's why I am so careful before making major purchases. And, that's why I was exploring other cameras besides the CP5000. But, looks like that one wins the race, hands down.

About the Light and Motion housing, I just saw that yesterday on the web. It is smaller than the Ikelite housing, which is a plus. But I really like the Ikelite because since it is clear you can see what is going on inside. Spotting a leak would be easy. What other features might one model have over the other? Any thoughts on that? I am also a PADI dive instructor and can get either housing at cost through the dive shop where I work.

Oh, and thanks for the pic of the frogfish! Isn't that a face that only a mother could love? What dive site was it located on? Those little buggers are SO hard to spot, but maybe I'll get lucky this time.

We did have a divemaster show us one, on a previous trip. But there were so many people crowding around the little guy that I decided to leave him alone and not contribute to his harassment. I lost a photo opportunity, but that was OK. That one was about a 20 minute swim south of Andrea I, in about 40 feet of water. Actually, your photo might be the same one.

Peggy

Another thing about the two housings, I know I can use my Nikonos SB 105 strobe with the Ikelite housing. Wonder if that might be possible with the Light and Motion unit as well?

I'm going to be doing good to pull off the camera and housing, there aren't enough bucks in the kitty to fund a new strobe as well.

Peggy

To the best of my knowledge, you can use the SB-105 with either housing you mentioned. And, while there are lots of others out there, my choice would probably come down to those two as well. One feature that you may want to investigate on the L&M is the R.O.C. system. With it, you can manually control your flash output in a twelve step curve. Very cool. I use this feature of the Sea & Sea YS-90DX strobe all the time. If I were you, my question to L&M would be if the TTL works, too, and how you switch from R.O.C. manual strobe control to TTL. Let us all know the answers to those questions, will ya?

The Ikelite is bulletproof, convenient, and economical, albeit a bit bulkier than the Tetra 5000.

One other question. What size memory card is best? The camera only comes with a 32 MB card, so a bigger one is a must. I just don't know whether the 128 mb would be sufficient for two dives before downloading.

Peggy

Peggy,

On my first digital shoot I had a couple of 32 mb sticks, a 64 and an 8. Next trip 128 mb, 3-64mb, and a 32.....next trip....sony laptop, pc memory card adapter, usb card reader and all the sticks.........

After a couple of dives drop the stick off at the hotel then grab a empty one and prepare for the next dive. After your day of diving upload to your laptop and I would burn photos to cd and then you can view your photos on your pc. I found if was difficult to delete photos from your camera because some of them you really can't determine without viewing on a full screen whether you really would want to delete them or not. If you have a laptop I would bring it with you.

Hope you find the right one for you!

Another thing you can do, if the place you're staying has a fairly new TV: connect your digital camera to the video-in port of the TV and look at the pictures there. That's what we did last time with our DSC P1.

We had 2 128M sticks, a 64, a 32 and an 8.

It's possible that a photo shop on Bonaire may have a service where you can bring in your memory sticks and get them copied onto a CD. If not, they should consider it!

For what it's worth - the Sony cameras use memory sticks that can be used with the Sony Vaio laptops. If you can find a shop or someone on Bonaire with a Vaio and a CD-RW, you might be able to work out some kind of amicable agreement... it'd save the schlepping of the laptop, anyway...

Buy me dinner at Bobbejans (ribs!) and I'll perform that Memory Stick (or any other digital film media) to CD-ROM service :-)

Jake

Sounds good to me, and I can't imagine why Geoffrey wouldn't be amenable to that deal!

Jake,

B&H has it for $7 and the shipping cost would be free since I’m about to order something myself. I’m going to be down on the afternoon of the Nov 22nd and should be able to get it to you then. If Peggy has any problem getting it, let me know and I'll include it in my order.

B&H Photo Link for 37mm-58mm Step-Up Ring (Lens to Filter)

I need the inverse of that - I have a 58mm lens opening on the F707 and I need to attach a 37mm thread extender lens (I guess you could call that the filter). I looked at B&H and they don't have that (I guess it's a step down ring from the view of the camera). Maybe if you could call them? Please? :-) Thanks!

Jake

One of the things that attracted me to the Light & Motion housing and raises concerns for the Ikelike is the strobe connector. I use Sea & Sea strobes with Nikonos cables. The L&M housing is built to take the Nikon connector. Faith uses the SB105, so also has nikon connectors. Ikelike has cables to go from SB105 to their connector, but doesn't have such for Sea&Sea. If I do change systems, I really don't want to give up my strobes, which I like.

So that's one extra thing I see in L&M's favor. They also showed off a wide angle lens that's equivalent in field of view to the Nikonos 15mm. I do a lot of shooting with the 15mm and REALLY want that capability if I go to a digital.

Dan

Won’t that cause vignetting, or is there enough clearance that’s not actual lens anyway?

Anyhow, here’s a possibility get a 49-37 step down and a 58-49 step down.

49-37

58-49

I haven’t been able to find a 58-37 anywhere after doing searching on Google the closest I can find is 37-52, have you actually seen one before? If so let me know where.

I’ll try to contact B&H tomorrow when they’re open and see if such a thing actually exists. (Kind of like a snipe hunt).

Let me know if multiple step-downs will work if I can’t find a single 58-37 step down, I’m not sure what your profile tolerance is.

Another option:

58mm-46mm

46mm-37

I'm not sure about the profile tolerance either but I'm certainly willing to try two step-downs to get what I need!

Jake

OK, I'll let you know what I can find out from B&H in the morning.

Jake,

So I called B&H and they said “Won’t that cause vignetting?” And I said, yes that’s exactly what I said.

Any way there is no such thing as a 58-37 step down ring, but I can order the 2 rings for you if you would like.

I think the 58-46 46-37 looked like the lowest profile combination.

Let me know and I’ll order them right away.

Scott

Please do order them. I realize there will be vignetting but am hoping I have enough pixels of image to still make it useful...

Jake

Now for the right message for this thread.

Jake...

Step down rings have been ordered and are in stock and should be in my hands the end of this week and yours the end of next week.

Hope they work for you.

Scott

Scott, Thanks!!!

(I removed your accidental duplicate post)

Jake

Hey guys, I'm back after a long weekend away at the lake.

Jake, do I assume from the posts that I don't need to get your step-down ring from Wolf camera?

I was planning on going there on Thursday of this week, so let me know.

Thanks!

Peggy

I have a not-so-funny story for everyone...

During the Nikonos Shoot Out on Grand Cayman a few years ago, we were diving (not shooting photos like others were). There was a big commotion on the dive boat after we'd gotten on and un-geared. Seems as though one of the people who was competing in the shoot out had an older man for a dive buddy who had troubles under water. In order for this guy to help the older man, he had to loosen his grip on his Nikonos V...which immediately fell 5000 feet into the Cayman Trench. He was not a happy camper. He said he had some tremendous pix that would have been award winners! My thought was, "Yeah, but you saved your dive buddy!".

What do you all think?

Why didn't he have it secured onto his BCD???

Ditto with Freddie, an expensive camera not on a lanyard. Serves him right, he's to stupid to own a camera.

Only kidding, like I've never done anything that silly.

Peggy, I think I'm all set. Thanks!

Jake

PS Now, if you have room in your luggage for a good bottle of Sake... ;)

I've been shooting underwater for about 10 years, until last year on a Nikonos V. Last year I switched to digital -- Olympus 4040 w/Tetra housing. I use two strobes -- a Sea & Sea and my old Nikon SB105. All in all, the switch to digital has been great, and the 4 megapixels of the 4040 is essentially film quality upto 11x14 enlargements. My only complaint is having to revert to manual flash photography as there is no TTL control in the digitals available. Ikelite has a solution that uses a combination of the camera's preflash and a remote slave sensor controlling the TTL of their flashes, but it requires using all of their equipment and it still won't give you true TTL auto flash exposure. If anyone hears of a true TTL flash control in a digital set up, please let me know.

Other than the TTL, though, the digital switch is well worth it.

nikon 995.

no preflash. Use any strobe with a TTL sync cord.

This site might be of interest to all of you... No, I'm not sponsored by Canon (sadly)...

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/uwphoto/index-e.html

Thanks for the site, Marc. I plan to read each feature. I purchased a Canon S40 with their housing last year and did not really "study up" prior to using the equipment in Bonaire and my pictures reflected my neglect! I will be certain the next trip is better planned, camera-wise! No sense buying the equipment if I'm not going to take the time to "learn" how to make the camera do what I want it to do...only makes sense. Thanks again! Carole (Shutterbug)

(Prior to the underwater digital I was using 35m film in another Canon and Minolta u/w cams).

Jake, got your step down rings today, I’ll bring them to you the end of next week.

Scott, Thanks!

Jake

Well, no amount of begging and pleading can get a Light and Motion housing shipped to me in time for my November 30 Bonaire trip. Seems like they don't have nearly enough units in stock for the current rush of orders they've received, so the best they can do is a mid-December delivery.

Of course, they're telling me how great the unit is, and that it's worth the wait, but that doesn't do me any good on this upcoming Nov. 30th trip. My next dive trip, after Bonaire, is probably 6-7 months away.

Guess I need to look at the Ikelite setup as an alternative.

Or maybe I just need to forget the whole thing and stick to my Nikonos for the time being.

Geez!

Peggy

Peggy,

Considering a fair amount of Light & Motion equipment is presently on Bonaire thanks to the digital shootout going on, maybe you can convince them to sell you a unit that's already here, and you just pick it up when you get here... Suggest that to them...

Jake