By donna debow (BonaireTalker - Post #17) on Friday, June 19, 2009 - 3:06 pm: |
my first trip to bonaire is in 2 weeks!! are these dive sites still closed??
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9656) on Friday, June 19, 2009 - 3:35 pm: |
Yes, they are still closed.
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By paul stanton (BonaireTalker - Post #19) on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 8:43 pm: |
actually a few shops will do Salt. Frank at Belmar/buddy offered to take us this past week but my 13 yr old was too pooped to drag out in the evening. Salt has to be done as night dive.
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9674) on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 9:37 am: |
Interesting, was on island beginning of June 7-14, didn't see anyone diving Salt Pier, they must have just started it up again? Will have to look into this with my dive shop on island to see whats up with the pier diving. Thanks for posting, Paul.
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By ***Ron Gould*** (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1984) on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 9:42 am: |
What is happining is they are parking and going in at salt city, and swimming out and to the north to get to the south part of the pier. If you park your truck at salt pier area, and enter there, you stand to be charged, and all of your gear,and transpartation conviscated. You can be treated as a terrorest, and deported. So not worth the dive! The Salt, and Town Pier's are closed! IF YOU BREAK THE LAW, YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU GET!!!
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By paul stanton (BonaireTalker - Post #20) on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 10:47 am: |
Ron,
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By ***Ron Gould*** (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1986) on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 7:55 pm: |
The Harbor Master gives permission, not the salt co...
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By paul stanton (BonaireTalker - Post #21) on Monday, June 22, 2009 - 9:10 pm: |
whatever, point being you can legally do it now.
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By DiveWarm (BonaireTalker - Post #91) on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 7:56 am: |
I know someone who dove Salt Pier in March with a paid guide thinking it was legal, finding out after the dive it wasn't.
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By ***Ron Gould*** (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1987) on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 8:44 am: |
Money rules! There are people(guides)taking divers to salt pier without permission. Make a call to Buddy Dive(main shop)and ask! THE PIER'S ARE CLOSED! Dive at your own risk... Ron
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By John "Smack" Anderson (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1743) on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 11:36 am: |
Easy Ron, my friend, easy. Take some deep breaths...in with the good...out with the bad...in with the good...out with the bad...
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9683) on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 12:49 pm: |
Well said, Smack. I will add to those of you who may not be aware. There was damage done to the Salt Pier from Omar. I know I for one would not want to dive it without knowing IF repairs had been done and also with the proper permission, meaning going to the Harbor Master and inquiring. Safety/Law go hand in hand. I personally don't dive Salt or Town Pier, so haven't really looked into it myself. Will check it out in August when I go and report back on repairs/legalities of it all if someone doesn't do so before then.
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By Bas Noij (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #422) on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 6:38 pm: |
You can not legally dive the Salt Pier at the moment. Permission from the Salt Company means nothing. As stated above the Harbor Master needs to give you a written permit and without it your are trespassing in an international harbor. I for one would LOVE it if they start issuing permits again but for now we'll all have to wait.
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By Brian J. Walsh (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #188) on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 11:08 pm: |
At our Marine park orientation at Belmar on 6/14/09 we were told permission could be obtained for a guided night dive at Salt Pier but we did not try it.
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By Bas Noij (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #423) on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 1:25 am: |
Maybe someone from Belmar can shed some light on the situation? My information might be outdated.
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By pat murphy (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2264) on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 10:01 am: |
we love diving salt pier, day or night. hope they reopen it soon. in april i had heard from two different people (both business owners on bonaire) that both piers were open but i never saw anything in writing.
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By Bart Snelder (BonaireTalker - Post #49) on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:43 pm: |
There are (at least) three layers of law concerning diving (or access in general)in/to international harbor area's. 1/access must comply with ISPS code 2/access must be granted by national and local authorities and 3/ by the owner of the property, which might be private. In the case of Bonaire's Salt Pier, South and North Pier national and local authorities do not grant authority because of, among other reasons, the damage done by Omar, as the damage might pose a safety concern, whereas South Pier has always legally been off limits to diving. There is no telling if or when local and/or national authorities change current policy. Until any change is implemented, diving under the aforementioned piers IS ILLEGAL. As said in previous posts you will need a written and stamped permission (timed and dated) among other rules. Since these are not issued, present permits are forgeries (SP?). Oh well, that leaves "only" 90 something legal dive sites, some 50! or so, free of addittional charges such as for guiding or boat. Bummer!! HA!!!
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By Bart Snelder (BonaireTalker - Post #50) on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:44 pm: |
phone number harbormaster: 00599-7178151
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By *Tink* (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #171) on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 10:39 am: |
Bas and Bart, as usual, thank you for the correct information. I know there are a lot of other dives, but Salt is one of my favorites...it's magical to me
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By Pietri Hausmann (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #204) on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 4:19 pm: |
one of the major reasons for closing the piers is that they are international and were closed after 9/11 in accordance with international laws. even as a tour guide i have had to get special security clearance and I.D. to be on the piers.
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By *Tink* (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #177) on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 5:06 pm: |
Pietri, I think we all know about that, particularly those of us that have been around prior to 9/11, and have dove the pier many times.
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By ***Ron Gould*** (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1988) on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 5:23 pm: |
Pietri, Thanks for taking the time to post the information that you did! I'm quite sure there are many people that read this board that were not aware that guides have had to get special security clearance and I.D. to be on the piers... SLAP!!!
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By jb (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #1) on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 5:27 pm: |
O.K. hope to shed some light on this subject. We dove the Salt Pier last week on a guided twilight dive. This was offered through the dive shop we are using on the island. We had to sign up and wait 24-48 hours for everything to be processed. We could have done a night dive however we chose the twilight dive. This was one of the coolest dives we have ever done. Our information is that you have to have a guided tour and the Harbour Master has the final authority to approve the dive.
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By jb (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #2) on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 5:30 pm: |
I have a cool photo of a basket star from this dive to post as well but I can't figure out how to post a picture.
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By pat murphy (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2267) on Thursday, June 25, 2009 - 5:53 pm: |
however, we dove them legally a number of times post-9/11. yes, the restrictions were stricter. we had to sign up at the dive shop and supply our passport numbers etc. but we could still dive them. only since omar have they been closed to diving. it just seems strange that salt ships can tie up to the salt pier and cruise ships can tie up at town pier but the excuse given divers is that the piers might be unstable because of damage from omar.
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By jb (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #3) on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 2:51 pm: |
Pat the only pier that is open is the Salt Pier. No option to dive the Town pier is available and from what we were told it will be some time before Town pier will re-open. Apparently a lot of wires/cables broke loose during Omar venturing this site "very dangerous" to divers. It will take some highly skilled divers trained in that type of work to clear the site. At least that was the information we were told. The structures around the Salt Pier are very stable and full of colorful sponges.
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By Debbie B. ~ Jersey Gal(*) (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9728) on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 4:45 pm: |
Has repairs "been" done to the Salt Pier, jb?
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By pat murphy (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2268) on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 8:29 pm: |
thanks jb...IMHO, salt pier is a better dive anyway.
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By Kevin (BonaireTalker - Post #44) on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 12:10 am: |
"No option to dive the Town pier is available and from what we were told it will be some time before Town pier will re-open. Apparently a lot of wires/cables broke loose during Omar venturing this site "very dangerous" to divers. It will take some highly skilled divers trained in that type of work to clear the site. At least that was the information we were told." JB
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By Bart Snelder (BonaireTalker - Post #51) on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 1:20 pm: |
The clean up was done right after Omar, before any real assessment was done. Unfortunately, we may have contributed to the closure, although the goal of the clean up was to repair the damage, and keep the pier open. At the request of Robby St Jago, we reported what we saw under the pier, the report itself the reason why we were allowed to dive there at all. I can tell you that a lot of wiring was dangling underneath, and at the spot where the pier was attached to the shore, there was a lot of structural damage. To find out what the exact status is, for all piers: 00599-717-8151, ask for Mr St Jago or Mr Abrahams
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By Kevin (BonaireTalker - Post #45) on Monday, June 29, 2009 - 11:04 am: |
Thanks Bart. That explains it.
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By Bart Snelder (BonaireTalker - Post #52) on Friday, July 3, 2009 - 4:02 pm: |
Kevin,
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By Kevin (BonaireTalker - Post #46) on Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 11:40 am: |
Thanks again for the info Bart.
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By John Gillette (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #2) on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 6:51 pm: |
Interesting...
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