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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Deborah Campbell (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #112) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 12:17 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

During an early afternoon dive on August 25, I noticed this critter hunkered down at the base of Small Wall. It was around 8 inches long. Sorry for the poor quality of the image... I had only a second to get the shot before it scurried off toward the north. Does anyone have any idea what this is?
mystery

I've scoured my fish identification reference books to no avail. My first thought was that it might be some kind of batfish, but the head on this critter is quite different. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Deborah

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kelly Baum (GDLW) (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3198) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 12:38 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Deborah, here is my picture of a batfish, taken off the coast of Panama City Beach, FL., where the sightings are extremely rare apparently.

batfish

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kelly Baum (GDLW) (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3199) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 12:47 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

LOL... now I can't find my darn batfish.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freddie Hughes (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6483) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 12:49 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

looks like a broken soap fish

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freddie Hughes (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6484) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 12:52 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

soapfish

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Glen Reem (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2170) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 1:45 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I also vote for a bent, or 'broken', Soapfish.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Deborah Campbell (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #113) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 2:51 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Freddie and Glen, I believe you're right. The head looks exactly like that of a soapfish; no telling why it was so "bent" when I saw it. I don't believe the fish was injured, based on how quickly it swam away as I approached. This is the first time I've seen a soapfish - on Bonaire, or anywhere.

Kelly, I've got a batfish photo from last year, taken in Curacao by my husband (at least we think that's what it was.) The head's more squared-off, although this photo isn't good enough to make that clear:
batfish

Thanks for all your help!

--Deborah

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Timmmmmmy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #550) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 3:53 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Freddie looks more like a muddysoapfish LOL ;)

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kelly Baum (GDLW) (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3201) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 3:56 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Here is a picture of a batfish I found in the archives, but still not MY batfish! lol

batfish

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Long John Cecil (in my dreams) (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4245) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 4:02 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Soap Fish fer sure. I call them backscatter fish.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kelly Baum (GDLW) (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3202) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 4:06 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Stop the presses I found my picture. I love the search feature of this site. lol

batfish

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Timmmmmmy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #553) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 4:13 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Cecil - why do you call them backscatter fish?

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By C Poteet (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #323) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 5:57 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

O.K. so Deborah nailed a soap fish.

Can anyone tell what kind? From the habitat range in the DeLoach book, my guess is "greater."

How rare or common is it to see a soapfish in Bonaire waters? I don't remember anyone else mentioning one, but perhaps I missed it.

Charles Poteet
Dallas

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Susan - BSDME (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #177) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 6:43 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Deborah,
It is a Greater Soapfish. They often seem to just fall to the bottom (and into coral and sponges) to sleep during the day. They are voracious night feeders though. Susan

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By C Poteet (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #324) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 6:53 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Susan -

Thank you. My education is expanded.

Have any thoughts on how common are greater soapfish in Bonaire waters?

Charles Poteet
Dallas

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Deborah Campbell (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #114) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 7:45 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thank you, Susan! Perhaps this soapfish had been asleep, which might explain its "bent" position. I was the last in a line of about a dozen divers moving along the base of Small Wall during that dive; no one else noticed this fish, but we probably inadvertantly interrupted its sleep. I appreciate knowing they're nocturnal and will pay attention during future night dives.

--Deborah

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By seb (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2402) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 10:48 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I would guess there are many hundreds of greater soapfish in Bonaire, at a guess, once you recognize them you see them lying around everywhere. They're weird fish, they lie on their sides, hidden away if possible.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Timmmmmmy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #557) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 11:01 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Deborah- I like your work and your web page...

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BABS (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9700) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 11:10 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

My first thought was soapfish too...here's one I saw on my trip last August
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Hmm, maybe this time I'll see a batfish now that I know what they look like!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #216) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 11:54 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi
I believe Deborah's second picture is a Rock Hind (Humann second edition P.153)
Mick










 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Deborah Campbell (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #115) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 12:15 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Mick, I think you're right. I didn't see this fish, but my husband said it was small... maybe five inches long. So perhaps a juvenile or adolescent rock hind in the pale phase? The coloration near the eyes looks exact. Thanks for the clarification.

And thanks to you, Timmmmmmmy!

--Deborah

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Susan - BSDME (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #178) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 6:44 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

soapsend.jpg

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1191) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 7:15 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

How about spawning Soapfish -This was on top of the Machacha wreck last Christmas

soap

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cecil (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4246) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 8:41 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Tim, because the spots look like backscatter. Look at Bab's picture.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J Rushman (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #115) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 12:12 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Charles writes: "Have any thoughts on how common are greater soapfish in Bonaire waters?"

I would think they're fairly common. There's often one under the Carib Inn dock in about 3 feet of water.

John R

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By C Poteet (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #325) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 12:57 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks to all for expanding our knowledge about soapfish and their population in Bonaire waters.

I am particularly attentive to John R's post because we are snorkelers and are delighted to know we might have a chance of seeing one in shallow water. We'll be looking!

Charles Poteet
Dallas

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mare (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1074) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 3:46 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Charles,
Most of the critters I've seen as a diver I saw first while snorkeling.

On one dive vacation, I was getting over a sinus infection and had to stay out of the water until I had finished my antibiotics (only one day). On this 'no dive day', I was walking in the shallows at CocoView in Roatan and I happened upon a young eagle ray looking for food in the sand. I wasn't even snorkeling.

Mare

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By C Poteet (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #326) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 6:59 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Mare -

Now you have got our attention! How much we can see if we'll just learn to see.

Eagle rays must be as graceful as ballet dancers as they fly through the water. Another creature that is right at the top of our wish list.

Thanks for the intelligence.

Charles Poteet
Dallas



 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By andrew hamilton (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #103) on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 3:21 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Soapfish are relatively common on Bonaire dive sites. My wife and I saw them on the majority of dive sites visited - they tend to hide away and you have to look carefully to see them but they are not uncommon. the picture at the top is definitely a soapfish IMO.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Yo quiero taco bell (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #14589) on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 10:05 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

We saw a couple of soapfish off the docks at Belmar...so Charles, you can find them snorkeling:-) They do look like they are dead...little fakers! LOL!

Susan, is that a soapfish?

Brian, nice mating picture...;-)

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DARLENE ELLIS (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1697) on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 10:45 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

I have seen many Soapfish while snorkeling in Bonaire. They love to lye flat up against something and they blend it and are easily missed.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tish (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #413) on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 5:42 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

When I first started diving, I noticed whatever moved.
Only later did I start noticing what didn't move. That's when I began seeing soapfish on every dive. They are everywhere in Bonaire waters.
But they tuck themselves away and play dead.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Degan (BonaireTalker - Post #55) on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 7:21 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I didn't know what that fish was the first time I saw it in Bon either. Its eyes we're looking different directions, it looked completely weird.

I haven't been out on BT in a while, but I get to claim the red lipped batfish pic from this May at Bari. Word has it that the batfish has moved to deeper waters, 50-80ft instead of the 15-20 ft we saw it in.

 


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