By Jenny Braun (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #3) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 8:21 pm: |
I liked the info on the new wreck...do you get there from shore? Do they boats normally take you to places that you can't get to from shore? What other wrecks are there to see...I love wreck dives!!
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #110) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 9:14 pm: |
The Hilma Hooker is a major wreck accessible from the beach. Most of the resorts will take you there by boat BUT as the wreck is sitting in 100 fsw, they will limited your bottom time to 20 minutes. The best way is to shore dive, then you can visit one of the better reefs sites on the island on your way back up. There is an old cabin cruiser sitting off Capt Don's Habitat in less than 30 fsw, the hulk of an old lifeboat in 130 fsw at the bottom of the reef off Capt Don's and a sunken tug boat in 90 fsw off what is left of the dock at what is left of the old Sunset Beach Hotel.
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By Peter Cabus (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #205) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:15 am: |
Jeremy,
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By Brian (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #319) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 2:58 pm: |
Peter
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By Martin de Weger (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2684) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 3:18 pm: |
Brian, I can relate to the first 2 things (certification level and experience), but what does being male or female has to do with the Windjammer?? I consider myself an experienced diver, but I think (I even know), I have to let one, two or even three of my (female) buddies first when it comes to difficult dives.
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By Jenny Braun (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #4) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 3:58 pm: |
No need to worry...I'm Advanced Open Water Certified and have experience...Love deep wrecks! I'm a girl also....
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By bob caat (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #4) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 4:05 pm: |
I believe the Windjammer is in about 160 feet. It is not a recreational dive.
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By Martin de Weger (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2685) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 4:13 pm: |
It's in between 160 and 220 feet, it's kind of deep indeed... It can be done as a tech dive, but you must be proparly trained to make the dive.
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By spongebob (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1109) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 6:50 pm: |
well, for certain, the windjammer is not a "sissy" dive and that could have accounted for the off reference...
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #113) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 8:16 pm: |
If you really want to visit the Windjammer, do it safely, be accompanied by a person with the proper experience, equipment and credentials. Visit our very own Walt III at www.rectecscuba.com.
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By Christin (BonaireTalker - Post #56) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 8:47 pm: |
I have done the dive, it was deep but not hard. Of course that is an opinion but I think anyone who likes deep dives and is relaxed can get there.
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #114) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 9:02 pm: |
Christin, anybody can make the trip to touch the hull, ascend and say "I dove the Windjammer". This dive is past recreational dive limits ............ nevermind, this thread has been done and overdone. OBTW... don't forget Cooper's Barge at 154 fsw.
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #162) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 9:44 pm: |
I agree with C. Kritagent - It's a definite trimix dive for safety and remembrance.
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By Louis Dessau (BonaireTalker - Post #12) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:37 pm: |
The windjammer has historic value in seeing but is not an easy dive. The Hilma Hooker should never have been left on the bottom, it looks like a big piece of junk. On an island so rich in nature with corals and fish who needs the wrecks?
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By Brian (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #320) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 1:21 am: |
Martin
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By Peter Cabus (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #206) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 4:08 am: |
Brian, I did not recommend to Jenny to DIVE the Windjammer, I recommended to search the board for info. She can then decide for herself to do the dive or not.
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By Will Chetwood (BonaireTalker - Post #40) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 4:58 am: |
I dont want to start too much of a controversy but I do not think it is correct to say that PADI regard a 60 metre dive as "recreational". In the open water course for example 40 metres is stated to be the absolute maximum depth for those with specialist training (i.e. deep specialty). The new tec courses do go beyond the 40m limit but I do not think PADI regard these as " recreational".
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By Glen Reem (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1464) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 7:24 am: |
Trimix can cause DCS: any gas that goes into solution in the blood under pressure greater than the surface pressure can do that.
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By Martin de Weger (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2689) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 12:28 pm: |
Brian,
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By James Epley (BonaireTalker - Post #72) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 1:28 pm: |
When I inquired about the Windjammer prior to my recent trip, one shop responded that they required the following:
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By Brian (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #322) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 2:14 pm: |
Martin
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #163) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 6:32 pm: |
Hello Peter~
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By Peter Cabus (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #207) on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 2:41 am: |
Jim,
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #115) on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:50 am: |
Peter, when a huge majority of the divers that come to Bonaire are recreational divers and limit their depths to less 40 meters or less and have absoutely no experience with serious nitrogen narcosis, please tell me on what you base your statement "So the Windjammer is definitely not off-limits for the 99% of air-breathers that visit Bonaire."
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #164) on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 8:31 pm: |
Somewhat of an educated guess here but I would say that total OTU's would be a factor in any recompression treatment. If you were already at the higher limits of the daily OTU's of whole body oxygen toxicity at the end of the dive than had trouble, I doubt that any oxygen would be given to you in the Decompression Chamber??? Thus decreasing your chances for a full recovery. What we need here is someone with chamber experience who actually knows! CNS O2 toxicity is the greatest risk to a technical diver along with Nitrogen Narcosis; in technical diving the PO2 can not exceed 1.5 ATA and recommended is 1.4 ATA Is there a "Chamber Maid" out there somewhere? Hey I'm going back under my rock...Chow
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By Louis Dessau (BonaireTalker - Post #13) on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:44 pm: |
Here is a little blast from the past!
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #119) on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 7:41 am: |
Hmmmm, certified in 74, does't believe in modern safety equipment, dove all the way to 165 ft, darn Louis you must be ready for a nap
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By Glen Reem (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1466) on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 9:42 am: |
Lots of good, and safe diving, was done, and still can be, without 'modern safety equipment'. The equipment doesn't make for safety in itself-- the diver was and still is the key ingredient. Novice divers, and experienced ones, still have 'accidents'.
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #120) on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 11:47 am: |
Glenn, training and experience remains the key. If you lose control of your situation all the equipment (new or antique) won't do you any good, I think this is probable what you were trying to say....if so I agree.
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By Peter Cabus (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #209) on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 2:24 pm: |
Hi C.
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #123) on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 3:17 pm: |
Peter,
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By Louis Dessau (BonaireTalker - Post #16) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 12:42 am: |
According to some of your I am ready for a nap,
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By Susan Feldman (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #626) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 9:04 am: |
Here, here, Louis! I read the passages above to my husband, and he said "Absolutely!"
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By Brian (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #331) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 10:19 am: |
Louis
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By Peggy Bowen (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #210) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 5:50 pm: |
Glad to see that there are some of us 'older' divers on this board that will admit to learning prior to SPG and single hose regs. But must admit that we trained with both in the pool and most of us bought those new single hose regs and an SPG (the gauge faced the end of the hose!) All the 'fancy stuff' doesn't make a safer diver - you still should know what to do in an emergency. It itn't the first problem that gets you, but the second or third problem. Can remember doing lots of mask clearing, weight belt ditching (hell on the pool bottom), switching tanks with your buddy (double hose was easier than getting wrapped up in the single hose...) without you mask on, and endless instructors turning off air and flooding your mask. Those that survived the class were divers. There was pride that you passed because you really had to work for it! And you knew what to do if you had any type of problem.
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By Glen Reem (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1473) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 8:32 pm: |
Re 'modern safety equipment': a two-hose regulator and J-valve tank had safety advantages over today's single hose regs with a pillar/K-valve. The two-hose gave warning of low air, breathing with noticeably increasing resistance for 3-4 breaths before 'nothing' and the J-valve (properly maintained and used, before you knowledgeable ones jump in!! :) ) gave a 500 psi 'safe second' air supply.
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #165) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 9:58 pm: |
Glen~
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By Glen Reem (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1474) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:15 am: |
Exactly, Jim. I think it would be instructive to all students to experience just what you did, sitting in shallow water with an instructor watching each one. Nothing like experiencing it under control.
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #166) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:19 pm: |
Glen~
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By Glen Reem (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1479) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 11:24 am: |
Jim.
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #167) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 6:42 pm: |
Glen~
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By Glen Reem (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1480) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 1:18 am: |
I meant permanently connecting the inflator to the pony and leaving the main tank out of that all together. That would be my version of KISS. Two together leaves the possibility of connecting the 'wrong' one. :)
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By seb schulherr (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #862) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 12:49 pm: |
Let me say I know nothing about this, but have been interested in a pony of some sort for solo diving. I never thought about having the pony to put air into the bc to ascend. I like to think I'd just blow into my Air ll to inflate my BC or even drop some weight, rather than use some of my precious left pony bottle, leaving the exhalations in the BC and staying away from using the bc air as breathing air in any but the most extreme situation.
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By Peter Cabus (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #210) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 1:52 pm: |
Seb,
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By seb schulherr (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #867) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 2:26 pm: |
How large a one do you have, Peter? Can you just purge it into your mouth?
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By seb schulherr (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #869) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 2:29 pm: |
http://www.oldbonairetalk.com/newsgroup/messages/30/112669.html?1062268127
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By Fiona Rattray (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #217) on Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 1:56 pm: |
Hi Glen, Jim, Seb
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #170) on Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 4:10 pm: |
Fiona~
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By Peter Cabus (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #213) on Monday, September 1, 2003 - 7:37 am: |
Since bouyancy can be controlled via either the BC or the drysuit, I would connect one hose to the BC from the main tank and another hose from the pony bottle to the drysuit. If you run out of air on the main, you can still get positive by inflating your suite. When I dive with my drysuit I hardly use my BC.
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By Louis Dessau (BonaireTalker - Post #19) on Monday, September 1, 2003 - 11:15 pm: |
As we were saying at the outset, there was a new wreck on Bonaire. An old Danish boat and now we are talking pony tanks,dry suits etc. Is the new wreck going to be a trial run for raising the Bismark or are diving guidelines on Bonaire about to get very strict? What about snorkeling,will it be ok to use mask and snorkel or is some kind of jet propulsion being considered as well ?:+)
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #172) on Monday, September 1, 2003 - 11:48 pm: |
Maybe a diveshop in Bonaire will teach a course for commerical divers and "cut up" the new wreck? Pass the torch please...
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #173) on Monday, September 1, 2003 - 11:58 pm: |
Louis~
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By spongebob (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1135) on Tuesday, September 2, 2003 - 1:57 am: |
hey jim,
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By Louis Dessau (BonaireTalker - Post #23) on Tuesday, September 2, 2003 - 6:38 pm: |
Hello Bonaire diving fans,
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By seb schulherr (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #878) on Tuesday, September 2, 2003 - 8:12 pm: |
There is a difference between a shipwreck and an intentional or towaway sinking. Likewise when they sink ships on purpose they are supposed to be clean.
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #174) on Tuesday, September 2, 2003 - 10:22 pm: |
Rat Race? Is that what you call sport divers? Or tourists? I'm afraid to tell you Louis but you're already in the rat race in Bonaire. Go to any diveshop in the US and the word "Bonaire" always comes up when recreational diving is mention. Sport diving in Bonaire is big business, no doubt about it. Money talks and if it takes cruise ships like in Cozumel to make more money for the greedy, than its going to happen. Seven or Eight cruise ships a day in Coz...One thing that you have that Coz doesn't is gambling...casinos.. That's a mighty powerful magnetic for some people - gambling is. A bit of advice, don't worry about the ships that are on the bottom worry about the ones sailing on the high seas, they are more damaging than any sunken vessel.
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By Louis Dessau (BonaireTalker - Post #25) on Tuesday, September 2, 2003 - 11:21 pm: |
Jim,
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #175) on Wednesday, September 3, 2003 - 10:36 pm: |
Hi Louis~
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #147) on Thursday, September 4, 2003 - 6:51 pm: |
Whattsa matter with my split fins and hi-performance regulators ??? Shessh
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #176) on Thursday, September 4, 2003 - 7:06 pm: |
Nothing from my point of view I have split fins for sport diving; power fins for technical. Just because an dive item is something new and maybe just a little better and easier to use Louis seems to dislike it. For the price of a high performance reg a person would be able to breath much easier using less air and having more bottom time, and that's what this high tech new dive gear coming on the market is supposed to do...Heck if diving started to get harder because the regs were getting harder to breath just like the good ol' days who would want to continue to dive sucking their lungs to the point of collaspe? Improve the scuba industry though better equipment and more comfort. Which in my book is definitely worth a premium price within reason. If one can afford new gear, why not? Afraid to try something new??
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By Louis Dessau (BonaireTalker - Post #26) on Thursday, September 4, 2003 - 8:32 pm: |
Jim AND C. Kritagent,
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By seb schulherr (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #882) on Thursday, September 4, 2003 - 9:03 pm: |
If you want to go wreck diving there are places for that. Just go there, and keep the unauthorized wrecks out of Bonaire.
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #148) on Thursday, September 4, 2003 - 9:18 pm: |
Louis, To extend this thread waaay beyond a reasonable termination... May I inquire as to what items you are "required" to purchase from which you receive no benefit?
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By Louis Dessau (BonaireTalker - Post #27) on Friday, September 5, 2003 - 12:07 am: |
C,
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #177) on Friday, September 5, 2003 - 11:21 pm: |
Seb~
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By spongebob (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1146) on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 12:27 am: |
i hate to do this;)
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By Peter Cabus (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #214) on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 1:52 am: |
Bob,
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #178) on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 4:49 pm: |
spongebob~
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #152) on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 6:58 pm: |
And you can be dressed like that very unfortunate young man that died deep diving last November.
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By spongebob (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1147) on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 8:07 pm: |
thanks jim,
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #179) on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 8:43 pm: |
spongebob~
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #153) on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 9:08 pm: |
Jim - Thanx.
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By spongebob (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1149) on Tuesday, September 9, 2003 - 3:41 am: |
i knew this was a mistake;)
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By C. Kritagent (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #154) on Tuesday, September 9, 2003 - 8:25 am: |
LOL...I would like to think so...
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By seb schulherr (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #903) on Tuesday, September 9, 2003 - 9:26 am: |
Bob, you knew it was a mistake and you went ahead anyway. You don't need no stinking training. Maybe you need to listen to yourself talk, you sound like an accident report in progress.
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By JIM KENNEDY (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #180) on Tuesday, September 9, 2003 - 9:06 pm: |
Maybe before questioning training you should strap on a pair of double steel 80's and jump in and see what happens... MOST EXPERIENCED divers who try double steels for the first time land on their backs on the bottom, looking like upside turtles...Just trying to help you spongebob.
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