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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By britten norman (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #2) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 11:15 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hello to all, Divi Divi Air will soon start with a daily service between Aruba and Curacao
Any comments and/or ideas are all welcome.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tish (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #783) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:17 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

If you own or work for Divi Divi you aren't supposed to post this, but I'm glad you did.
I think if I ask you a question and you answer it, that's allowed.
So please tell us about this.
How soon is soon? Will the connections with the Divi Divi flights from Bonaire to Curacao be smooth?

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By britten norman (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #3) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:28 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

If all goes as planned it will start first week of February
And yes the connections will be smooth.
Yes , I do work for Divi, and would like to get any comments or ideas so we can better serve the travelers.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dr. Director (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #122) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 2:16 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Great news, but a bunch of questions:
- How many flights are expected per day?
- What are the approximate departure times from Aruba? What about arrival times when flying back to Aruba?
- Will the flights/aircraft continue to/from Bonaire or will you have to change aircraft in CUR to get to/from Bonaire?
- How easy will it be to connect or continue to Bonaire?
- Will Divi Divi use the same type of aircraft they currently use? If not, what will they use?
- Will there be weight limitations? If so, what will they be?
- What is the estimated price for flying from AUA to BON?

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ann Phelan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2065) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 2:32 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...

What size plane??

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cecil (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4380) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 2:44 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Britten what are you doing to me? I am right this moment confirming a flight on Bonaire Excel and would desperately rather fly Divi Divi!!!!

We are flying the afternoon of March 8 from Aruba to Bonaire (anytime after 2:00PM). Return flight on March 15 in the morning. You could make my week with the right options.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin de Weger (Moderator - Post #58) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 4:16 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Tish is right, the message should not have been posted by Britten. We did sent an email to ask Britten to sent this kind of information to the moderators, so we can decide if the information is allowed to be posted on BT and, if so, we will post it to prevent self promotion. This goes for everybody who has news about a business they are involved in.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Yana girl (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #402) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 5:17 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Martin, Will the Mods allow Britten to answer our questions?

Boy, I am SO in there if Divi flies into AUA.
Ya hear that Mary M!!!!

Britten, YGM

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin de Weger (Moderator - Post #59) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 6:14 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

The moderators would like to see the information before it gets posted. And like I've said before, if the information will be sent to us, we will post it, if it's not inappropriate. The information can also be posted on the website of Divi.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #391) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 8:32 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Martin, if you are that strict now , why on the Fort Lauderdale thread the replies from Liz Ginoccio have be allowed ? Britten clearly wants to serve the travellers needing connections from Aruba well and he would need a lot of different opinions to do that well .....

Britten, I think you should look into arrival and departure flights connecting the US and Brasil with Aruba, allowing enough time to clear immigration.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cynde (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #80) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 8:51 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Brigitte, this is a little different in that Britten started the thread, and there were several replies before the mods saw it. In the other thread, Liz was answering questions about the airlift, which she, could really only answer. We wanted to let Britten know about our policies before it went on further and prices got posted, etc.

We (the mods) of course, want to be able to provide new information about travel to Bonaire. We just wanted to get communication going with Britten and the mods prior to posting and wanted Britten to be aware of the policies. Hope this makes sense.

Cynde

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #392) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 9:06 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Partly Cynde, it makes sence ... but Martin said he can post info on the Divi web site and I would think the same applies to Liz

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freddie Hughes {Moderator} (Moderator - Post #107) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 9:17 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I am sure liz would love to post on her website but at the moment it is broken..... not that that has anythig to do with her posting information... They can both send information to the moderators and we will be happy to post it.. www.bonairedirect.com is Lizs website..

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gregg brewer (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #836) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 9:42 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I think the moderators have too much time on their hands if they have time to find fault with somebody posting information that everyone has been seeking...nothing in the post was plugging the business; just stating a fact. Lighten up moderators...who are you protecting? Preventing this type of information from being disseminated to BT'ers is a disservice...it certainly wasn't flagrant advertising

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #393) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 9:55 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

At least be fair, if you post Liz web site why not the one from Divi http://www.baibini.com/

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cyn (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #16533) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 10:09 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Gregg,

Moderating is not easy. We are notified regularly from others, in regard to others self promoting, so yes, sometimes we feel it necessary to intervene to keep things "fair."

You can read about those policies here (which you will clearly see why Martin made his request):

http://www.oldbonairetalk.com/newsgroup/messages/25/152184.html?1078174978

We are not trying to keep information from Bonaire Talkers. What we are trying to do is make sure that the policies are adhered to. There are definitely grey lines, and when the lines are grey, the moderators consult each other as to the action. If we allowed self-promotion (even in some of the grey areas) you would not be able to read posts because there would be spam and self-promotion everywhere. So yes, maybe we are a little tight sometimes.

Martin had a simple request, that Brittan go through us prior to posting for the moment as he started the thread and is new to BT...and made him aware of the BT policies.

So, how about lightening up on the mods a bit...

Regards,

Cynde

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ann Phelan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2066) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 10:12 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

One thing for sure, we need airlift to Bonaire. Our supply and demand is way out of balance. Each week I lose at least one client who cannot find air to Bonaire. If you want to come in the next few months and do not have air, be prepared to shell out some big dinero. CO's tickets are all about 1K for most dates in the next few months. Most of us cannot use Air Jamaica due to logistics and well, AA from SJU to BON simply cannot handle large numbers. For those funneling from AUA to Bonaire, having a new option is well needed.

Thanks to all for listening to me rant...

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sue Goodman (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #249) on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 10:36 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I just hope DiviDivi isn't changing its schedule for those of us brave enough to ticket on AA via Curacao in the near future. I can't wait to use my Continental & Delta miles to fly to Aruba!!!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gregg brewer (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #837) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 6:22 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Cynde,

Thanks for your referral link...you really confirmed my point..."Messages which promote a commercial business from which you derive compensation. Such compensation may include, but is not limited to, outright payment, a commission, salary, and/or free services or goods." There was nothing in Britten's posting that "promoted" a commercial business unless you feel a statement that says there will be new air service from Aruba to Bonaire is promoted commercial business. If you feel that way, you are really nit picking and parsing words. I suppose Britten could have announced that a new air service was soon to be available without mentioning Divi Divi. Then there would have been immediate responses ie "fantastic, who is the airline"...in the interest of no self promotion, Britten would have to say, "sorry, I am not allowed to say"....the scenario is silly...Like I said before, Moderators, please lighten up...anybody can recognize blatant advertising; your rigid efforts to "protect" us from spammers can have the effect of suppressing needed, useful and desired information...

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt III (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #256) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 6:33 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

I agree the mods should lighten up!

You didn't hear me complain when you self promoted SELLING your Bonaire Talk T-shirts a few weeks ago.

Airlift sucks and any good news on that front should be gladly welcomed from whom ever it comes from.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Cousino (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #19) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 8:34 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Walt, thanks for your input, your suggestion is noted. Thank you also sir, for being civil and not accusing us of having personal motives, as others have suggested here and on other matters in the past.

All, when Cynde, Freddie, Martin, Seb and I took over Bonaire Talk and created B.T.C.I. to keep Bonaire Talk as you know it on line, we agreed and signed our names on a legal contract. One of the stipulations of that contract was:


quote:

BTCI agrees it will not let the main areas of the BonaireTalk discussion board devolve into a commercial, subjective, censored, or non-family friendly discussion board.




As much as the five officers of B.T.C.I. personally hope for travel to Bonaire to become easier, we can not allow people to advertise their products/services nor as in this case perform marketing surveys on the threads, which existed when we agreed to the terms of the contract.

We have not and will not allow anyone else with a financial interest, start threads of this nature anywhere on the existing topic pages. If you know that a person making a post requesting information on a particular business is employed by, or receiving compensation from that business, please let us know. Your having physical proof would be beneficial to us.

Regarding our offering BonaireTalk tee shirts on another thread. This message board is going through some major changes which will become apparent to you all very soon. One of these changes is, it will become self supporting. Had it not been for the past generosity of Jake and Linda Richter and Dan and Faith Senie along with the advertising dollars received from the Banner Ads which are at the top of the pages, there would have been no BonaireTalk. If it had not been for the generous donation of FREE bandwidth by Dan Senie's, Amaranth Networks Inc., for the past year, you might have received "We did not find results for "bonairetalk.com"" on your screen when you tried to visit this website.

In addition to moderating the threads, investigating complaints and working at our "paying" jobs, the five officers of B.T.C.I. have been working, behind the scenes, to complete necessary paperwork, meeting with bank and Bonaire Tourism officials, and trying to set up future fundraising (hence the tee shirt offer) to keep BonaireTalk on line and to allow us to make changes, again in keeping the the terms of our contract.

Folks, we read each and every post made on BonaireTalk, every day. When we miss something, such as self-promotion (as defined on the thread Cynde mentioned above), inappropriate comments, or inaccurate information being posted, we truly appreciate your notifying us. If you have suggestions, we are open minded and welcome them. We are doing everything we can, to keep BonaireTalk a friendly community for all to visit to gather information about our favorite island or, to just chat.

To those on Bonaire, when you have complaints about post made by your neighbors, competitors, etc., we can empathize. Please understand that the moderators of Bonaire Talk can only take action on offenses to the policies of this board made within their post.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tish (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #791) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 9:12 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

I'd like to suggest a compromise.
Recently both Liz and Kevin have been allowed to answer direct questions concerning their respective business interests, the charter flight from Fort Lauderdale and what food and drink are available at the restaurant at Great Escape.
They did not initiate those posts; they merely responded to them, which satisfied the needs of BTers for answers to BT questions.
I tried to ask Britten a question about the new Divi Divi service and others did as well. Now that he understands the restrictions, including the prohibition against doing a market survey, could he be allowed to reply to direct questions, just as Liz and Kevin have done?
The rules make sense, and we all benefit from them. But answering questions is an important BT service, which we also benefit from.
Moderators, thank you for your patience under fire. I'm glad I'm not in your shoes! :-)

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nathalie (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #130) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:07 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Well put, Tish. If Tish's suggestion isn't acceptable, then perhaps BTer questions could be compiled on BT, posed via the Divi web site, with answers posted here by someone with no financial interest in Divi. Seems circuitous, but the rules exist for good reason.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Cousino (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #20) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:12 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Tish, Thank you for your kind words and questions.

Anyone may post questions and any business may answer direct questions.

Folks, when a "new" member joins BT and starts asking questions directed towards a particular business, we do check that "new" member out. If they are discovered to be a "plant", i.e., someone posting for the sole purpose of allowing a particular business to circumvent the rules, disciplinary action is taken. This might include, both the poster and the business to be permanently banned from Bonaire Talk.

Many of us are interested in possibility of new flights into Bonaire. I know I am because, for the foreseeable future, my dive buddy and I plan to continue flying through Aruba.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cecil (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4382) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:52 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Even though I am desperate to get information about this new service, I think the moderators are spot on. We are letting our desire for new air service to cloud our judgement, spam must be nipped at all levels. We all know the alternates.

Now identifying a problem is worthless without a solution. So how about a new section called Announcements. Here can be blatant self promotion that is cleared with the moderators first, for Bonaire based companies that are offering a new service and want people to know about it. Then we could also ask our questions.

Thoughts??

ps. How about some appreciation for our Moderators. You guys are the best.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jake Richter - NetTech (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #5740) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:55 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Folks, cut the Moderators some slack here. This is no different from when BT was run under the "Jake & Linda dictatorship". You guys just didn't complain to us as much because, well, how do you argue with dictators anyhow? :-)

But we still got quite a bit of grief, mostly from people on Bonaire, and we dealt with it as best we could (which wasn't well, at times). Consistency in dealing with people was always a challenge, especially as regular BT contributors who crossed into the gray zone were sometimes cut more slack than one-shot posters or regular abusers.

Britten should not have posted the message, and furthermore should be including something in their name indicating affiliation with Divi Divi (like I do with NetTech in my name). The proper way for a vendor to get their information onto BT, as Martin has indicated (and this too hasn't changed from our regime) is to e-mail moderators@bonairetalk.com and let them announce the information in their own way.

The issue here (and elsewhere) is not so much the "message" as it is the "messenger". Important keep that in mind.

The ability of a vendor to be able to reply to questions about their business has existed on BT since the beginning - AS LONG AS the vendor did not mention prices. Doesn't seem to me that that policy has changed at all.

And, before you jump all over the moderators in the future, please put yourself in their shoes first. Moderating BT (and I have more experience at this than anyone here) is a b*tch. It's usually not fun, it can be boring, and it can certainly be really awkward. And typically, it's also thankless - although I would admit that Linda and I have received our share of thanks for BT over the years, but that gratitude is also what made the difference between saying "to hell with it" and continuing on with all the tough and emotionally difficult work Moderating requires. I'd rather not share how many times Linda and I talked about shutting BT down for good because we were tired of the grief we got for things that were pretty minor in the first place. Suffice to say it was a lot more than once or twice.

And so, let me be the first (at least in this thread) to thank Cynde, Freddie, Martin, Seb, and Tom for all the hard work they have been putting into keeping BT the community alive, family friendly, and commercial-free. And perhaps even moreso, for all the work they are doing to plan for the future of BonaireTalk and Bonaire Talk Community, Inc. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, guys. I fully support you.

Jake

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick T. (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #733) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:55 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

HUGS AND KISSES TO THE MODERATORS. If you don't want a kiss take a hug. Thanks boys and girls

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By seb (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2557) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 11:52 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks to Jake especially, Cecil,and Tish for your supportive comments.

Walt, how about putting your business affiliation in your name like we ask all business owners to do, any moderator would be happy to assist you. You may be unaware that BT is a non profit organization, so we really cannot be accused of self promotion. The moderators work for BT, but do not derive compensation.

Greg, you really think that even three people would all come up with the same list of self promotion violations? What if those people were Tim, Brigitte, and Liz?
We all wasted a lot of time last year with endless complaints about the LAST TWO airlift projects, neither of which ever got off the ground.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Debbie Babcock (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2901) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 1:14 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Gang!

Just finally got to reading this really long thread and Wow! I concur with Cecil on this one.
You moderators are the BEST in my book! And thanks, Jake, for pointing that out too! I know and appreciate all what Freddie, Cynde, Tom, Martin, and Seb do for BT and am very grateful that you guys give it your all the very best you can for the rest of us here who read BT daily. I think BT is getting bigger and bigger every day, thus more complaints are coming your way. Sorry, Jake, I really think that is why more complaints nowadays. LOL! But, nonetheless, it is appreciated by me all the work you guys do and I know it has to be taxing as you guys do have "regular" jobs too. Thanks for being there!
Sending a big ((Hug)) to all of you!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cynde (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #81) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 1:29 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Jake, thanks.

Cecil, we have already been working on a separate area for paid advertising. It's close to rolling out, however there are some logistic issues right now (IRS related). As BTCI will begin paying for bandwidth in a few short months, we will need to have fundraisers, and find other avenues to raise money (like an area for paid advertising), not only to pay for bandwidth, but to also pay the bills (taxes, accountants, etc.). Currently, what bills we have (IRS filings, corporation taxes, etc.) are begin paid by me, and a donation from Jake and Linda, just so ya'll know...

Patrick, thanks for the hugs and kisses. Cecil, Tish, Debbie, thank you for your kind words and support.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tish (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #793) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 1:56 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

My, oh, my! I have missed a lot since I was online this morning.
In the meantime, I have gone to the airport and spoken with a Divi Divi pilot.
I explained that somebody named Britten Norman had posted information about Divi Divi on BT, and the pilot laughed. It seems that is the name of the airplane Divi Divi flies, not the name of a person. Of course, others posting on BT use handles other than their own names.
When I asked Britten at the top of this thread if he or she was working for Divi Divi I had a feeling that was the case.
The pilot told me that two other airlines are in the start-up stages for flights among the a,b,c islands and beyond. He is involved with one of them called Aruba Airways. His does not intend to make an announcement until all the red tape is finished, but, moderators, I told him both the new ventures, if they get off the ground, should contact the BT moderators. So keep an eye out for that in a couple of months.
And the rest of us can hold our breath and hope reaching Bonaire will improve. Breath holding is okay, right, as long as we're not diving?

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cyn (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #16542) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 2:11 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Tish...you little private eye you! LOL! Oh my, I'm LMHO here...thanks for the info and for shedding light on "Britten Norman."

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #395) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 2:34 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

That is a good one ! And as you can see, these are the planes Divi is flying
http://www.britten-norman.com/home.htm

And yes, moderators, we (here at our little office) are happy with the work you are doing and thank you very much for it --- which does not take away that sometimes we do not agree for a 100% .....

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cyn (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #16543) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 2:38 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Brigitte, thanks:-) If we all agreed 100% of the time it wouldn't be "interesting" would it ;-)

Tish, still chuckling:-)

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Chalk - Habitat - STINAPA - BONHATA (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #223) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 2:54 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

...and Harley rider...

...just added my affiliations to my name as suggested. Also just wanted to chime in here and let the mod's know that I for one think they are doing a great job. While I haven't always agreed with some of their calls and/or some of the discussion threads allowed, especially if they reflect negatively on Bonaire in general as a destination, I can wholeheartedly say that whenever I have sent a message to any of them for prior permission prior to posting something that might be interpreted as "self-promotion", they have always been fair and unbiased in their decisions. Keep up the good work guys.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By roger kreager (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #5) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 3:56 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I believe the people who own or run this site, like any business can set or dictate what can or cannot be said. I own my own business and have set rules. We all have a choice in participating in this forum or not.
Now back to the important part. I have heard that divi will start flights from AUA to BON in February. I would like to suggest they schedule the flights to match the inbound flights ( co, AA,US & others) maybe 3-3.30pm and again 6-630pm range with a stop in CUR. maybe departures in the noon time and 4pm range. I would like to believe the price range will be about double the Bon to Cur price. I hope divi will understand luggage issues with us divers. I plan to book my ticket from Newark to Aruba on 3/9 on Monday. So divi better be their for me.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt III - Rec Tek Scuba (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #257) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 5:37 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I was not implying they (the mod’s) weren't over all doing a good job and a hard thankless job at that. Just that some things are kind off borderline and are for the benefit of ALL concerned.

It really doesn’t matter whether you are not for profit or not, by promoting your own T-shirt it’s still self-promotion.

By the way this is the first I have been ask to include Rec Tek in my name, I was always of the opinion that those that started putting their business names up was a form of self promotion? But I will be Happy to comply!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin de Weger (Moderator - Post #60) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:02 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thank you for all your kind words.

Walt, I would like to respond to your statement.


quote:


It really doesn’t matter whether you are not for profit or not, by promoting your own T-shirt it’s still self-promotion.



In a way you are right, it is a form of promotion. But, since with out financial support (like selling T-shirts), BT has no means of paying for the bills and therefor has to pull the plug. I doubt if that's something any of us (and us is both you all and us moderators) want to happen.

Martin de Weger

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cynde (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #82) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:25 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Walt, the "business in your profile name" has been encouraged for a couple of years. This way, it makes it clear to everyone what your business is (good for you as a business owner), and if you post in regard to your business, even more clear. Often when a business owner replies to questions about their business they don't make it clear...this way it is "crystal" clear ;-)

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gail Thomas (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #860) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 9:53 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Wow - what a thread! My humble thanks to Cynde, Freddie, Martin, Seb, and Tom also. I am very grateful to you all for keeping this board alive and well for all of us. Keep up the good work!

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Wayne Williams (The Great Escape) (BonaireTalker - Post #47) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:12 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Getting to the meat of this... yes, I would love to see reliable Aruba-Bonaire direct service, but it is number two to the thing I want most: air service to Caracas code shared with Continental and a Star Alliance member that lines up with service to Caracas from the US, South America, and Europe. Charters are nice, but the only things that show up on Expedia, Orbitz, and the like are scheduled flights by regular airlines.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kaye (BonaireTalker - Post #96) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:31 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I guess that Walt, isolated from the harsh realities of life outside paradise, has never endured the constant fundraising of a US public radio station. They're non-profit, too, but they run as a voluntary fee-for-service organization. "If you want to see/hear us, send us money." So far, BT and the other outstanding travel forum on which I depend, TTOL, haven't asked us flat out for donations, but they would be justified in doing so, I believe. Fortunately, both forums have dedicated volunteer moderators (hurrah for the moderators!), so expenses are kept to a minimum.

Moderators (nice moderators): I have more too many tee shirts than I have too many baseball caps, so how about a nice embroidered "BT - Bonaire" cap?

David

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freddie (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #7049) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:39 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

David and everyone else, Thank you for your kind words indeed.. It is not an easy job at all, and trying to keep the polo ponies and the yachts all rounded up is even harder!!
Now David what kind of "Caps" are you talking about Baseball caps?? We will very soon be offering some things on BT just like the good ole USA NPR.....

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kaye (BonaireTalker - Post #97) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:57 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Yes, baseball caps. Fundraising's okay, just don't put fundraising posts in between each of the members' posts.

David

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kaye (BonaireTalker - Post #98) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 11:04 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Oops, more than 2 minutes passed before I remembered that my profile picture (it's in profile, of course) shows me in one of my already too many caps of the type to which I referred.

David

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cynde (Moderator) (Moderator - Post #85) on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 10:52 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Jack, David, thank you for your support.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By britten norman (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #5) on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 9:13 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By britten norman (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #8) on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 10:47 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

flydivi@interneeds.net can also be used

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David F Pascoe (BonaireTalker - Post #30) on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 1:43 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

hmmmmmmm........

Considering the "big bucks" the moderators are making from this thankless and time consuming endeavour they are providing a quite unique environment. I think that the discussion they have permitted and enjoined quite illustrates this. Reasonable messages (and some marginal ones) from reasonable people are moderated by yet even more reasonable people exclusively for the benefit of idiots like me!!

This is quite unusual on the internet today and they certainly have my thanks and appreciation.

david

 


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