By Peter Dobson / Den Laman unit F (BonaireTalker - Post #62) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 9:35 am: |
according to Amigoe news, Hilton is building a new hotel near the Airport to be ready 2010. Peter
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By Peter Dobson / Den Laman unit F (BonaireTalker - Post #63) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 9:48 am: |
"Bonaire
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By Debbie Babcock (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6361) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 9:53 am: |
Yikes!!!!!
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #706) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 10:14 am: |
What I heard that about 3 months ago ... when you come from the airort and drive in direction town, on that corner where you have to turn left to go to the Plaza the Hilton will be build
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By Boat Chick* (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3744) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 10:58 am: |
more poop
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By Ann Phelan - www.bonairecaribbean.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2971) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 12:12 pm: |
My teen wants to be assured this does NOT mean Paris Hilton will start coming to Bonaire?
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #973) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 12:54 pm: |
Some of that "over development" National Geographic was referring to? Bummer.
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos ) (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1159) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 1:05 pm: |
Poopy poopy...Looks like dem changes are a coming!! I sincerely hope the waste management system will be functional by the time this project is completed. I wonder how many stories it'll have? Before you know it, here come the golf courses! Something tells me that the airport is going to get a lot busier. Wonder when the first real traffic light goes in? Any takers on a bet?
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By Babs (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #11980) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 1:06 pm: |
MAJOR BUMMER
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By Debbie Babcock (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6364) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 1:17 pm: |
Gee, as some of you know, I got a place on the south side of the island, wonder how with the Divi Flamingo going to be built and now the Hilton, how the heck is my water pressure going to be by the time the water gets to the south side? Ack! And waste management hopefully is going to be taken in consideration with both of those large developments. May not be large to some islands, but the combo for Bonaire and all the smaller/tall high rises going in from what I saw is just, ACKKKK!!!!! And I was always worried a Hilton would go in by the old Esmeralda building that is falling apart, well, now blow me away.... It isn't built yet, maybe they will change their minds, heck, even the Divi Divi Flamingo hasn't started either. Trying to be positive here, think positive thoughts...
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By Marcus L. Barnes (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #974) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 1:30 pm: |
We left Cozumel 8 years ago for Bonaire because of all the cruise ships and large resorts. Looks like the search may have to begin anew - Dominica here we come???
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By Kevin W. Williams (Pink Beach Properties (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #437) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 6:05 pm: |
Height limit is 8 meters, but there are ways to get around it. When you go down EEG Boulevard, you see an 8 meter high flag with the words "8 METER LIMIT!" written on it immediately next to a 16 meter building.
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By Babs (BonaireTalk Deity - Post #11982) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 8:08 pm: |
Thanks Kevin, I'm now wondering where the approvals for building plans are done...on island? Curacao? Netherlands? I've spent a lot of time fighting local projects here in Folsom and one can rarely stop a project, but with a lot of effort, have it modified to make it somewhat more acceptable....
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By Gail T. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2518) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 8:10 pm: |
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By Kevin W. Williams (Pink Beach Properties (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #438) on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 10:50 pm: |
Babs,
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #707) on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 11:15 am: |
One should not over react also, it is not a biiiiggg Hilton, but one with 144 rooms. On Aruba p.ex. even the smaller hotels have 200 rooms, the bigger ones 400 rooms and than you have the big ones with 800 and more.....
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By michael gaynor (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2786) on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 4:25 pm: |
There is actually no hard cast in cement law limiting buildings to 8m.
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By Kevin W. Williams (Pink Beach Properties (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #439) on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 4:46 pm: |
True enough ... the 8 meter limit is in the guideline plan, but is one of the items that can be modified during negotiations. It really isn't much different than getting a zoning variation in the states, and it's true of nearly everything. There are limits on fence heights, setbacks on lots, percentage of the lot that can be sealed, etc., but if you have a compelling reason, they will approve nearly anything that is safe. I really wish they would enforce the fence height limits more carefully, especially along EEG Boulevard. The fence along the road isn't supposed to exceed 1.5m. It would be nice to be able to see the ocean from the oceanfront road.
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By Jim McPeak (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1120) on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 5:37 pm: |
Maybe I'll finally get to meet Paris Hilton so I can tell her how stupid I think she is. Oh yeah, bring Lindsay and Brittany, so I can tell them too.
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By RONALD CHEEVERS (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #8) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 5:06 pm: |
Marcus, we're with you. We have been going to Aruba for the last 17 years and have owned a timeshare there for the last 10 (which we will sell when we find our next "dream-destination"). We knew Aruba when it was like Bonaire is now. We just returned from our 2nd trip to Bonaire after having been there two years ago as well and were convinced that this could be our answer to an escape from a "He..-Hole that Aruba has become due to over-tourism. (See our communication with TCB in the "Accommodations" category)
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By RONALD CHEEVERS (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #9) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 5:14 pm: |
PS: That communication that I just mentioned in my last post is in the "Accommodation" section is under the title "Have things changed much?"
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By Windsurfer (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #3) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 7:56 pm: |
Ronald, just wondering.. you owned a timeshare on Aruba for 10 years, so somehow you supported the developer of that particular project. Weren't you involved in financing the so-called over-tourism on Aruba yourself too?
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By RONALD CHEEVERS (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #10) on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 10:18 pm: |
Ouch!!!, Windsurfer. Guess I'm supposed to stay home or feel guilty for being a tourist. I just happen to be one who simply wants a quiet, laid-back place to go. I'm simply saying that there should be limits (not completely halt tourism). If all the islands had a limit as to the number of tourists allowed per square mile at any given time, I would gladly take a number and wait my turn. Actually, when (as you say) we involved ourselves in financing the "over-tourism" in Aruba, the tourist population at that time was less than half of what it is today and we were assured that there would be little (if any) change as the local government had a moratorium in place which halted all property expansion and any new construction. Call me naive, but we (like many others) truly didn't expect to see mega-projects like the Marriott roll in overnight.
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By Windsurfer (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #4) on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 7:43 pm: |
Ronald, of course I get your point.
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos ) (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1174) on Saturday, December 1, 2007 - 7:31 am: |
I don't like cruise ships, that's a personal view. So I'm not happy with an increase in cruise ship traffic.
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By Ann Phelan - www.bonairecaribbean.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2983) on Saturday, December 1, 2007 - 8:42 am: |
Vince, a large portion of our island is off limits from growth as you know (Washington Park) so that puts all the growth in one chunk of the island. IMHO the building boom is not a boom, it's a vavoommmmmm...tooo much toooo fast but ..
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2120) on Saturday, December 1, 2007 - 10:25 am: |
I wonder what the rush is? The infrastructure isn't there (sewage treatment) to support the current growth. They say it will be there in a few years. Meanwhile, more and more development, ahead of that.
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos ) (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1175) on Saturday, December 1, 2007 - 1:09 pm: |
Ann. I agree with your description of "vavoommmm" in describing the current state of construction on the island. I do however disagree that it's "all growth in one part of the island".
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By Mel Briscoe (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #154) on Sunday, December 2, 2007 - 7:46 pm: |
I'm not one to make outrageous statements or to be judgmental based on minimal info, but in my opinion (nine years of diving the reefs, and I'm a professional oceanographer) the Bonaire reefs are dying fast from overnourisment and undergrazing, and the future of the island depends on getting a sewage plant built as fast as possible. The Hilton is not the problem; it could even be part of the solution if the building permits require sewage treatment. I read on BT a lot of "it's not so bad" or "XYZ island is worse" but that misses the point; it is getting worse, and it is difficult to reverse. I'm 66 and I won't see the end of the beautiful reefs of Bonaire, but I would like to see the end of their degradation due to apologists and rose-colored glasses.
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos ) (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1180) on Monday, December 3, 2007 - 7:11 am: |
Mel..I think we're all pretty much in agreement on the issue of the eutrophication of the Bonairean reefs. Somewhere in my file I have the results of a study completed in Nov 2006 addressed to the marine park which assesses the current state of the marine reefs. And you are quite correct, that we are near the tipping point. Yes, having been diving Bonaire's reefs for over 20 years, I do see the changes.
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By Ann Phelan - www.bonairecaribbean.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2986) on Monday, December 3, 2007 - 8:21 am: |
It's up to the Bonaire Govt. to insure Hilton has their own waste treatment plant in place so it does not stress our fragile situation.
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By Windsurfer (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #8) on Monday, December 3, 2007 - 10:05 am: |
Mel, that is a very well-balanced comment. Thinking into the direction you lead us will help us so much more more than suggesting Bonaire is lost and one should head for Dominica now.
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By Susan (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2121) on Monday, December 3, 2007 - 11:15 am: |
I'm not saying Bonaire is lost, I'm saying slowing down would be a very good idea or it will be - and I don't think I'm being alarmist. The reef has deteriorated in the 7 years I've been coming to Bonaire.
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By Donna and Bill Vance (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #10) on Friday, December 7, 2007 - 7:35 am: |
Just a note. I think it was in one of the last couple of months that Bonaire Reporter had an issue with population totals and demographic breakdowns. I think the total Bonairean pop. numbers were 14,000 with ex pat numbers at 7,000
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By shawn thiele (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #186) on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 3:28 pm: |
Does it really matter? The reefs are going to die in 10 years anyways due to global warming no doubt. You want to save the reef and bonaire, fight the governments to produce cleaner energy.
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By MotorPsycho (BonaireTalker - Post #19) on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 4:00 pm: |
I'm pretty much like everyone else. Once I visited Bonaire, I wanted to be the last non-repeat visitor ever allowed onto the island.
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By Ron Gould (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1380) on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 6:40 pm: |
SOILANT GREEN!!!
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By Terry Armour (BonaireTalker - Post #27) on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 2:04 pm: |
Do you have an idea on how to deal with the over population issue?
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