By William Gates (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #9) on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 3:56 pm: |
As a well-fed, “pot bellied,” 220# [100 kilo] man who is very buoyant in the water [especially about the mid-section] I find it difficult to surface dive.
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By subaqua (BonaireTalker - Post #43) on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 6:51 pm: |
for a dive to 10' or so to take photos you will want to be weighted heavy to stay easily near or on the bottom, but still be able to easily tread water at the surface, preferably float with full lungs. I would suggest trying to get weighted such that at the surface you sink on exhale, float on inhale..this will make your surface time relaxing.. and help you prolong your breath holds as you will not be out of breath from treading water. You may find that you are still pretty buoyant at 10 or so feet but this will really help. If you had a float or a tube to rest with at the surface then I'd say to weight more for the ease at depth.
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By subaqua (BonaireTalker - Post #44) on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 7:02 pm: |
I should have expounded on the surface dive.. I prefer what is called a one legged duck dive... what I like to do is lay as horizontal as I can, bring my arms to my side, palms facing the bottom of the ocean, lake, or river, bring my arms 90deg. towards the bottom of the ocean, lake, or river, at the same time bending 90 deg. at the waist, all while bringing ONE leg and fin into the air above as straight as possible while slowly, bringing the other up... this allows the leg/fin in the air to push me down with gravity, while the other leg/fin is pushing against water to move me.. I prefer this to a 2 legged surface dive because if you have both fins in the air,,, kicking them gets you no where... where bringing up that one leg that's in the water slowly will force you down. It takes a bit of practice but it works very well.
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By William Gates (BonaireTalker - Post #12) on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 12:17 am: |
sub aqua: Thanks for your inputs. I like your projection of my dive table 2-3 down --16 for pictures -- and 2 up. I think I will set that as my goal. I also I liked your suggestion of using a float or tube to rest with. In addition, that would be an important safety measure and would provide a place to attach things -- camera, extra weights etc while I’m getting adjusted or practicing surface dives.
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By Cecil used to be on Bonaire (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #4622) on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 8:39 am: |
William just go to the dive shop when you get to Bonaire and rent a belt for the week. No need to buy at this time. You can add or subtract weights depending on your needs. I know many people that snorkel with weights, I know other people that need bouyancy when they snorkel.
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By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #285) on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 8:52 am: |
Hi
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By Bea and Marvin Jones (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #111) on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 10:08 am: |
We freedive with weights and had friends who tried weights for the first time last year. They also started with 2 or 3 lbs. and were pleased with the difference it made. Just take it slow and figure out what works for you.
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By michelle dannelley (BonaireTalker - Post #12) on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 11:16 am: |
You might try a snorkel class at your LDS, ours teaches snorkeling w/weight and a snorkel vest. They could help you with freediving techniques and give you the chance to try a dry snorkel.
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By Anne-Marie van Ginneken (BonaireTalker - Post #27) on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 2:43 pm: |
For the weighting: a regular weightbelt (ask at the dive shop) will work perfectly. I prefer the weights on the side instead of on my back but that's just a matter of choice. Build up the weight slowly. It must be an aid for going down but you have to be able to go up easily.
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By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #286) on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 3:49 pm: |
One thing to be careful of with the deep breathing. Don't over do it. Depressing the urge to breath too much can lead to shallow water black out. Very dangerous,especially when alone.
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By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #287) on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 3:51 pm: |
One thing to be careful of with the deep breathing. Don't over do it. Depressing the urge to breath too much can lead to shallow water black out. Very dangerous,especially when alone.
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By Anne-Marie van Ginneken (BonaireTalker - Post #30) on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 3:55 pm: |
Absolutely true! Hyper ventilation means GOOD ventilation and not fast!
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By subaqua (BonaireTalker - Post #45) on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 9:56 pm: |
..."As a complete novice when it comes to the use of weights, I assume that I should get a weight belt with a quick release latch that goes around my waist and wear it with the weights in back? . I looked at a couple on E-bay. Those came with 3 to 4 three pound weights. Is that likely to be enough?....Will the weights around the waist change significantly how I snorkel." .....
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By William Gates (BonaireTalker - Post #13) on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 3:58 pm: |
Thanks to all -- Cecil, Mickey, Bea /Marvin, Michelle, Anne-Marie and sub-aqua. It’s great being able to ask questions and get back the experience and recommendations of folks like yourselves.
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By Bea and Marvin Jones (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #112) on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 10:39 am: |
I would be surprised if you needed more that 11 or 12 lbs. Marvin uses 11 and he is the most buoyant person I've ever seen. He fell asleep once floating on his back in the ocean!! (His story, who knows) .
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By William Gates (BonaireTalker - Post #15) on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 11:01 pm: |
Bea/Marvin: I was hoping someone would give me an idea of the weight that they use. 11 pounds for Marvin is an excellent reference point. Thanks! Comparing our BT Profile pictures Marvin is quite a bit trimmer than I. However, body mass is often not what one would guess from appearances. I plan to start with two three pound weights and two four pound weights. That will allow checks at 6,7,8,10,11, and 14 pounds. Certainly 14# should be more than enough and I can drill holes in the weights if it is too much.
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By Ron Gould (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #502) on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 8:04 am: |
William,
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By DARLENE ELLIS (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #2006) on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 9:59 am: |
I am a bouncing bubble in the water. I can only go down 10 or 15 feet. I use from 8-10 lbs of weight just to get down and I can't stay there as I start floating back up as soon as I stop finning. While snorkeling on the surface I have no problems or tiring while wearing the weights. Carrying them on land is a whole other ball game! When testing what weights you need, you should remain neutral. Not positive and not minus. Maybe divers can help me with this one. When you are straight up and down in the water, I think, and I can't remember for sure, the water level should be right at the bottom of your nose to be neutral.
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By subaqua (BonaireTalker - Post #46) on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
Darlene...another factor about being neutral. it all depends on inhale or exhale.. where do you want to be neutral.. I'm guessing here but I think William will want to be bouyant/positive on a full or nearly full set of lungs at the surface.. and then negative on exhale, and yes, like you said, check this in an upright position as opposed to snorkeling position (prone). Nowadays.. I try to be neutral at -30 feet or so, isn't that crazy?, and that puts me very bouyant/positive at the surface, and Williams goal here will be to be neutral at -10 feet or so for ease of taking pictures.. and this will put him bouyant/positive at the surface, and make for an easy return from the bottom.
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By William Gates (BonaireTalker - Post #16) on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 7:21 pm: |
Ron; Darlene; sub-aqua: Again thanks for your inputs.
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By subaqua (BonaireTalker - Post #47) on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 10:26 pm: |
DANG mouse pad on the notebook computer just messed up a page of reply!! I'll start over....
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By subaqua (BonaireTalker - Post #48) on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
Oh yeah, I was going to mention.. this past weekend I was in a fresh water river, 5mil suit head to toe, max depth probably less than 8', usually 5', I wore 12lbs of weight so I could stay on the bottom, worked good, but maybe could have used just a pound or two more to be even more negative... that's the most I've worn.
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By Gord Alder (BonaireTalker - Post #35) on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 1:09 pm: |
The only thing that has not been mentioned yet is the fact that if you are neutral at 10ft, and you then descent to 15ft, you are now negative, and will need to fin to get to the surface. When snorkeling, I use 4 lbs, which still leaves me buoyant on the surface. If I dive to about 20ft, I notice that I continue to sink from that point on if I do nothing. The reason for this is the fact that the air in your lungs will compress as you go deeper, thus making you less buoyant.
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By Ron Edison (BonaireTalker - Post #78) on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 2:44 pm: |
I'm about the same size/dimensions as you and have the same buoyancy problems. For my scuba certification dives, I needed 30# of lead to get me and a 7mm wetsuit underwater. In St. John USVI and Bonaire with no wetsuit (just T-shirt or dive skin), I needed only 16-20#. I haven't tried snorkeling with weights yet, but for my last Bonaire trip I bought a weight belt with 6 velcro pockets. It's far easier to adjust weighting on the fly than stringing them on a standard belt. Most resorts provide weight belts and weights for minimal fees.
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By William Gates (BonaireTalker - Post #23) on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 9:17 pm: |
Ron: Well, I had hoped to have some actual answers this past week but I had to delay my scheduled trip to Key Largo. Now the trip will sometime after the middle of June. I appreciate the suggestion of a belt with Velcro pockets and indeed the fellow from whom I bought my weights did recommended a belt that would accept them.
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By William Gates (BonaireTalker - Post #24) on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 3:37 pm: |
Hi all:
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By David Frank (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #459) on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 6:15 pm: |
Try a little puff of air in the snorkel as you start up from the bottom. This will expand and snorkel will be cleared at the surface.
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