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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Degan (BonaireTalker - Post #20) on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 10:06 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

This is a beginner question, but I figure as popular as these cameras are, someone would know the answer. I have an Olympus C5050, Olympus PT015 housing & Sea & Sea YS 90DX strobe. The strobe seems to fire inconsistently - I believe less often on dives with more ambient light.

Does anyone know the configuration of camera & strobe settings that would allow me to shoot with the strobe on every shot?

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stewart (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #199) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 8:13 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Mark,

Try this link setting up a oly5050, it may be of some help, or search the web.

Dave

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Geoffrey (BonaireTalker - Post #98) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 2:21 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

The strobe may not fire at all if there is enough light anyway. That's by design. It also will not fire if you are taking pictures before it has recycled. You can also set up the camera in many different ways as the link provided by David will show.

A nice thing about the Olympus is that you can have a custom pre-set and switch to that for different situations.

How are the pictures? If they are not satisfactory to you, one of the photo techs on Bonaire can help you out.

The other option is "Cheat". Use one of the popular digital photo processing programs and tweak the picture.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stewart (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #200) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 3:14 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Mark,
Another link is Digital Diver. There are some very useful articles on that site and you can also post questions.

Dave

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Degan (BonaireTalker - Post #22) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 11:20 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks so much for your input! I have looked before at the Splash Divers & Digital Divers websites. I am going to use some of the manual settings that Splash recommended, but I have done numerous searches on the Digital Divers website and haven't found a very direct answer to my questions.

I think, to your point, Geoffrey, I will play around with settings and do a dive at our house reef, Bari, and maybe solicit a photo tech's advice if I am still having problems. I'm praying that our room at Sand $ has TV's that have audio connections - we had that at Divi and it really helped with picture editing.

Thanks to all, Mark

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Fishman (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #186) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 11:30 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Not sure if Dave's link to Peter's web site is working....

if not, try this one:

http://www.splashdowndivers.com/photo_gallery/underwater_photography/up_settings.htm





 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stewart (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #203) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 7:50 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks Kadushi,

I just cut and paste the address from my browser, I should have tested it first.

Dave

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Leif S (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #245) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 8:53 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Question 1: So, what about manually shifting the WB? It seems that this amps up or down the blue, at least above water.

Will be shooting C5050 with internal lum. only.

Question 2: On the other hand, we have a UK Light Cannon, which is awesome bright and can be diffused. What are the chances of getting better shots using it in lieu of a slave strobe?

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Banker (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #8) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 10:27 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Mark,
I don't have my strobe with me, but there are at least two slave synchronizing modes on the YS90DX. I have an Olympus C-750 and it has a pre-flash, so I have to use the right synchronizing mode on the strobe. If I don't, the strobe can fire, but the picture is dark.

The way to be sure you have the right setting is to take a picture with the strobe above water and try both settings. I think you will be able to tell from the picture which is the right one. Thanks to Cathy Church on Grand Cayman for helping me with this after a dive in which I have several too-dark pictures of a turtle eating algae with a Queen Angel on one side and a Gray Angel on the other foraging for leftovers. She made me write down the setting and tape it to my strobe.

Of course, my other on-going problem is that I forget to turn on the C-750 flash before the fish swims away.

My setup uses a P-018 housing on which I covered the flash area in front and use a fibre optic cable to send the flash to the front of the strobe.

Hope this helps,
Bob

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Fishman (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #187) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 11:08 am:     Edit PostPrint Post


quote:

If I don't, the strobe can fire, but the picture is dark.




In this scenario, the strobe may possibly be out of sync. The YS 90 DX, unless set to ignore the preflash, will fire on every optical trigger it detects, including the preflash. If the strobe fires on the preflash, it is possible that it may not be capable of recycling quickly enough (could be the capacitor or trigger circuit or both) to fire again in sync with the actual shutter event. This is why Sea & Sea designed the strobe with the ignore preflash circuit.

Some cameras, such as the c5050, have in the flash menu an option to fire only a slave signal(therefore no preflash to help determine exposure). The slave signal is a single "blip" of light who's function it is to optically trigger an external strobe in synchronization with the shutter event. If the camera's flash menu is set to slave, then the YS 90 DX should be set to fire on every optical event it detects.

hth,
kbob

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Fishman (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #188) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 11:21 am:     Edit PostPrint Post


quote:

So, what about manually shifting the WB? It seems that this amps up or down the blue, at least above water.




I have good results when using a flash to set the WB to auto. However in theory at least if you were to set the WB to cloudy, it may reduce the shutter lag (one less thing for the camera to have to think about)


quote:

On the other hand, we have a UK Light Cannon, which is awesome bright and can be diffused. What are the chances of getting better shots using it in lieu of a slave strobe?




imho, slim to none. Unfortunately, brightness is a relative subject here. Strobes are infinitely brighter in the split second they emit their energy. What is the rating of a Light Cannon? 10w-20w? otoh, a typical strobe would be measured in watt-seconds.

A c5050 even with just an on board flash is an admirable underwater rig. As long as your subject is less than a couple of feet away from your lens, your onboard flash will offer acceptable illumination. BTW, some of the most outstanding underwater images I've seen were taken at night with a C5050 and internal strobe.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Leif S (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #247) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 11:44 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Light Cannon is 450 lumens HID in the 5600K color range, so it's hella bright compared to any other dive light. Think of one headlight of a brand new luxury car... I have seen great pics from the 5050, some without strobe, so I'll experiment and report, deleting all the crummy images and only talking about the good ones (of course).

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Fishman (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #189) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 12:47 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Leif,

Looking forward to seeing the results. Color range is similar to strobes designed for macro use. Still think though that you'll be limited to wide open apertures. If so, try to use as fast a shutter speed as possible to avoid washed out backgrounds....

pasa bon tardi!
kbob

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stewart (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #207) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 3:25 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Leif,

The 5050 is capable of some good results without strobes spcially if you shot in RAW format. This shot is as is, a straight RAW to JPEG save;
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and this was the RAW file manipulated in PS
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Alright they are not brilliant they were my first efforts of recovering pics I had all but discarded and within a couple of hours of loading PS. So I am sure there is a lot of room for improvements.

From memory a red filter was used.

Dave

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Wallace (BonaireTalker - Post #62) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 5:21 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

David, your two pics show how PS can manipulate brightness and color. I'm sure the second photo was how you remembered how the models looked. If there's one thing that I'm learning after many hundreds of UW shots is that exposure is one thing and color is another. I want my strobe to replace the color that is lost at depth as well as illumination. You could take any camera to depth with an onboard flash and get the cameras "idea" of proper exposure but, with no color. And as Bob said ;paraphrasing(some of the the best shots are with an internal flash). Often , the computer in my camera is smarter than me so, in the future I think I'll let it do more of my thinking ITH.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Wallace (BonaireTalker - Post #63) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 5:25 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

BTW Oly 5050, PT-105, Ike D125, manual controller.
scorp

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Degan (BonaireTalker - Post #25) on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 - 9:12 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Bob & All,
Thanks for the suggestions. I finally had enough time tonight to fool around with my camera setup. I just purchased another YS90DX, so I will be shooting with doubles. What seems to have worked is both of the strobes set on "Pre" (otherwise, they will go off with the camera pre-flash), the strobe slave settings are "on" and then I am able to manually adjust my strobes' light settings. The camera setting is internal + strobe. Now, if everything will just work underwater...

Again, many thanks, Mark

 


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