By Jason L. Hames on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 6:25 pm: |
This post is for all those interested in the whole story involving our trouble with Buddy Dive.
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By Jake Richter - NetTech on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 7:39 pm: |
Hi Jason,
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By Barry Baker on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 7:53 pm: |
Sorry to butt in but does that rule also apply to a rented boat that you operate yourself when the operation you are renting it from does not supply tanks as was mentioned above. Since they are not a dive operation I do not see were the rule would come into place since shore diving is so widley offered. They could have boated to any shore accesable site and dove also and not cut into anyones profits either. Believe me I have to interest in this mater than just a simple question. And Jake if you don't know don't knock yourself trying, you do too much for us already.
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By Barry Baker on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 7:54 pm: |
I mean I have no interest in this matter
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By Jake Richter - NetTech on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 8:07 pm: |
[grin]
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By Jason L. Hames on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 8:23 pm: |
This was sort of explained to us "after the fact", however, we were not chartering this boat for a dive trip through the establishment renting us the boat. The only thing from buddy's that we were to be taking with us would be the tanks themselves. Apparently it is okay to tie off to the different sites and do all the snorkleing we want. We were told that if you had a privately owned boat, there would be nothing stopping you from diving the different sites around Bonaire. The use of the boat was to get us to certain areas that are inaccesible by car. All week we had seen people tied up to sites that were not with dive operators diving from them. How is that any differen't that what we had planned to do, other than they possibly own the boats they were using. I feel confident that had we rented the boat and not said a word to anyone at Buddy's of our intentions of diving from it, this issue would never have arisen. we were excited about being able to dive the Klein Bonaire sites at our leisure, not unlike the dive and drive package and we told one of the dive masters about it. As far as I can tell, we were not breaking any laws. The fact of the matter is, if it was to be a problem, they should have told us straight away and that would have cleared everything up. This becomes a question of ethics on the part of the people involved. When we confronted them with their actions, they first tried to deny any invlovement and proceeded to what seemed like avoid us until about 8 hours before we were supposed to leave and that just isn't right. It all boils down to the integrity of the people involved, which in my opinion there was a lack of.
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By Jake Richter - NetTech on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 8:34 pm: |
I can't address what did or didn't happen at Buddy Dive because I wasn't there, but in terms of your other question, private boats (like mine when I use it for myself and friends) can tie up and at any dive site, and I and my friends can dive at those sites from my boat - but we also have our own tanks, and I won't take dive shop tanks on my boat for private/friend dives because I know it's against the rules. That's the difference - you had Buddy Dive's tanks with you. Had they been your own tanks that you owned and not ones that belong to a dive shop, it would not have been a problem. May seem like a minor nuancet, but as I said, it's a widely known rule on Bonaire.
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By Jason L. Hames on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 11:38 pm: |
I agree that breaking the rules would not be the right thing to do, and I am in no way suggesting that we would have knowingly broken the rules. I guess, looking back, we both wish that this would have been handled differently. My only hope is that perhaps the dive operation will post something pertaining to diving with the operations equipment, tanks or whatever the case so that this situation does not happen to anyone else. Jake, thank you for your input on the matter. I will definetly ask all the right questions so I am well informed the next time as to what is and is not allowed. I would also like to add that we did have a fantastic time and the diving was more than I could have hoped for. This did not ruin our entire trip by any means and Bonaire would be at the top of my list of places to return to in the future, as well as the street cam :)
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By michael gaynor on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 9:23 am: |
Seems like Jake has answered all the questions and hopefully put it too rest. The issue here is not so much the incident, but the way it originally was tossed out on a public newsgroup without any explanation. That is the worst form of negative publicity any operator can suffer, inuendo and veiled comments. No matter how wrong either party was is not the poibt. I am sure all of us will agree that Buddy Dive's reputation for a first class operation is still intact.
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By Kelly Hirsh on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 9:33 am: |
Amen !!!
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By Tony Paugoulatos on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 9:49 am: |
Jake..If you took some friends on your boat with tanks from a local dive shop and you are not a commercial operation taking a fee for the diving trip would this be not allowed?
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By Jake Richter - NetTech on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 10:00 am: |
That would be in a gray zone as I understand the rules, since I would not be a commercial operation, but it would be a dive shop's tanks.
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By Tony Paugoulatos on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 10:07 am: |
Interesting...But if you loaded those tanks from a dive shop into your personally owned car and drove to a dive site that would be within the rules..
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By Barry Baker on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 10:10 am: |
Or if you rented a truck from someone other than buddy dive and still used thier tanks and drove to a dive site that would be ok too then...
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By Jake Richter - NetTech on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 12:03 pm: |
True. The difference likely lies in logistics (less boats vs. lots of vehicles) and what Bonaire is known for (shore diving vs. charter boat diving), but I don't know. I just know what rules I can get in trouble breaking :-)
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By Barry Baker on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 12:19 pm: |
Jake trust me I agree with you on that one it's just sometimes rules seem to appear differently when looked at at different angles. Semantics I guess. Thanks for the input.
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By thomas brossard on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 2:02 pm: |
I'm happy this has been brought out into the open & (hopefully) resolved. I do understand Buddy's point (and I agree that Buddy's reputation preceeds it) but in fairness to the parties involved, it sounds as if they're more upset with the deception & un-truths they claim was involved. And if there is any truth to that, Buddy Dive needs to address their customer service standards. I think honesty is the best policy, all the time, which (agreeing with Michael) also means fair & full disclosure of the criticism...
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By Niki Harris on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 2:35 pm: |
I appreciate the airing of this story too. We Americans especially, and many others, are very independent-minded and creative, and I can imagine others getting the idea to make a personal, custom dive trip by rental boat. Certainly not meaning to hurt businesses, but because it would be a fun experience. The regulations concerning this just need to be clear, and this discussion might help that, if the occasion arises again.
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By Tony Paugoulatos on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 4:53 pm: |
I'm sure it also has to do with the one boat, one
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By Carol at Buddy Dive on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 5:11 pm: |
Now that we have all had a chance to review Scott’s posting, I would like to clarify a few things. First, I will freely admit that through certain actions and in some cases, inaction’s, we did not handle the situation as well as it could have been handled. The Dive Operations Manager conveyed the same message to Scott and Jason before they departed. But what I will not accept is the accusations indicating there were any actions whatsoever on the part of our staff that were malicious or unethical, particularly when woven into a story that is fraught with fallacies. Before I offer any further comments on behalf of Buddy Dive, I would like to make it clear that the representations regarding the Charter Boat company’s actions were grossly misquoted, and could have caused this company not only damage to their reputation but to the security of their commercial license as well. They are completely innocent of any implied wrongdoing.
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By Kelly Hirsh on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 6:45 pm: |
Thank you Carol for the "rest of the story". As with all disputes it appears there are no less than 3 sides. This being said I would hope the assembled horde has learned a little. I refer to my initial statement about posting a broad condemation without supporting documentation.
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By Scott Sima on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 9:44 pm: |
We have obvious differences in the accounts of this situation. I, for one, am growing tired of dealing with it. I do have a life.
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By John Meaker on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 2:06 pm: |
I'm sorry that I'm posting *well* after
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By Jason on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 10:02 am: |
John,
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By John Meaker on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 12:00 pm: |
I almost think that this should be a new
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By Linda Richter - NetTech on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 12:21 pm: |
One thing - anchoring is not restricted to locals. It is restricted to the size of the boat and type of anchor.
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By Jason on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 2:08 pm: |
John,
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By michael gaynor on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 2:20 pm: |
Linda. better cheeck your information. If I am not mistaken there is no longer any anchoring anywhere! (except the stone achors the fisherman use)
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By Linda Richter - NetTech on Wednesday, April 25, 2001 - 2:28 pm: |
I'll check with the Marine Park and the Harbour Master and get back to you all.
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By michael gaynor on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 11:58 am: |
I checked. NO Anchoring anywhere!
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By Jason on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 3:02 pm: |
Michael,
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By John Meaker on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 4:42 pm: |
Linda, the www.bmp.org is a wonderful resource
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By Jason on Friday, April 27, 2001 - 8:46 am: |
John,
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By Linda Richter - NetTech on Monday, May 14, 2001 - 11:06 am: |
The Manager of the Marine park has responsed that this is still anchoring allowed between Karel's and the Customs Pier with the written permission of the Harbour Master. Whether or not the Harbour Master gives permission is another story. The area is easily within sight to prevent abuse.
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