By Harrie Cox (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #475) on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 8:14 pm: |
We made an action plan to solve the problem of the dangerous or roaming dogs on Bonaire.
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By Harrie Cox (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #476) on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 8:17 pm: |
Action against dangerous or roaming dogs. Concept 2008-03-28
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By Vince DePietro (Bellevue Condos ) (Extraordinary BonaireTalker - Post #1408) on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 5:44 am: |
Excellent work Harrie! I have signed up & support your actions.
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By Jerry (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #9886) on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 10:05 am: |
I'm also with you Harrie.
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By Antony Bond (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #303) on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 4:42 pm: |
Harrie.
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By Danny D (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #4) on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 5:56 pm: |
I also support all of your efforts. I am also a dog lover, however if a person owns a dog he/she has a responsibility to protect the animal as well securing it so that it will cause no harm. Hopefully your efforts will at least protect the public, natives of Bonaire as well as tourists, from harm.
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By Harrie Cox (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #478) on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 6:08 pm: |
Antony,
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By Brigitte Kley - Coco Palm Garden (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #727) on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 6:10 pm: |
Antony, the dog tag fees should be enough to pay at least one dog catcher ... and the other problems you mentioned are all in discussion and will be adressed with The Netherlands when the BES islands become a community of island - as it looks like the 15th of December 2008
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By Meryl Virga (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #5238) on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 8:46 pm: |
Our homeowner's insurance actually asks what kind of animals we own. They want to know if there are any exotic pets...and charge more if you have dogs that are considered dangerous (pitbulls, dobermans, rottweilers...etc. )
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By Bill LaBarge (BonaireTalker - Post #68) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 9:51 am: |
Harrie
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By Ann Phelan - www.bonairecaribbean.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3128) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:55 am: |
Who determines which street dogs are dangerous?? There is one at a location that several residents care for. She is loose and is kind and docile. She has a litter of her own and is nursing another litter she has taken care of (14 pups I recall). If she is taken by LVV in the proposed round up (See the recent Amigo) how does this help?? There are lovely street dogs who are not a nuisance. There are many barrio dogs walking near their homes that are not dangerous. Now, more dogs will live a life of hell chained or innocent dogs will be euthanized because TWO OWNED VICIOUS DOGS attacked people.
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By John Smith (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #5) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:25 am: |
It seems kind of obvious but.... sue the b!@#!@ds
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By Bill LaBarge (BonaireTalker - Post #69) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:26 am: |
I have to agree Ann. As noted I've run for years in the Belnam area. Used to run with Andre to Rincon and back yes Andre and he could run.... I've never been attacked but I know it can happen. I think the problem dogs need to be dealt with and the good ones left to their island life of leisure.
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By Randy P (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #766) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:35 am: |
Hi Harrie,
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By April (BonaireTalker - Post #79) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 12:26 pm: |
I have to agree with Ann and Bill. Killing all the stray dogs will not solve the problem of bad owners harboring attack dogs. While Randy noted, there is no such thing as a safe stray dog ... there is no such thing as a safe person either. People are the ones who created the dog biting problem. Problems are best solved when you get to the source.
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By Tribs, Bonaire Bound in May (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #5663) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 1:49 pm: |
I'm with the "dog" side too. No such thing as bad dogs, just bad people who abuse them. And the US side of this is not accurate either. Majority of dog bites come from little dogs, not big dogs. It is the US media that blows that one out of proportion. Also, some insurance companies, mine included, give an "alarm" discount if you own a big dog. We qualified with Shepherd/Husky/Rot mix, who never bit anyone because he was well taken care of.
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By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2746) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 6:36 pm: |
Ann,
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By April (BonaireTalker - Post #80) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 7:13 pm: |
Big dogs definitely get a bad rap, not fair to them. I knew a family with 6 rottweilers who were the most gentle creatures and I totally trusted them. The only dog that ever bit me aggressively was a standard poodle that attacked me ... when I was a child, visiting a friend.
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By Meryl Virga (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #5241) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 7:39 pm: |
There has to be a happy medium. I don't think dogs should roam..at least not someone's pet.
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By Jake Richter - NetTech/Bonaire Insider (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6268) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 8:40 pm: |
To the folks who are on the "dog" side of things, please keep in mind that you are looking at this from an American dog-owner perspective, where most Americans actually respect and care for their animals, and treat them as family members (as do we with our three dogs).
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By April (BonaireTalker - Post #81) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 9:10 pm: |
Sadly, there are plenty of Americans who do not treat their animals right either ... otherwise there would not be a need for the ASPCA and HSUS.
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By Harrie Cox (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #480) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 9:19 pm: |
I have some (positive and negative) additions and remarks.
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By Randy P (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #767) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:00 pm: |
"No such thing as bad dogs, just bad people who abuse them"
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By Tribs, Bonaire Bound in May (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #5670) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:11 pm: |
So now we have moved from bite to attack dogs to body parts being gnawed off? Unbelievable. This is better than the US media!
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By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #561) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:12 pm: |
Well Harrie
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By Randy P (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #768) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:42 pm: |
Poetic license aside, that was my point, confusingly made it would seem to some readers.
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By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #564) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:01 pm: |
AMEN Randy!
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By Tribs, Bonaire Bound in May (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #5671) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:08 pm: |
You may not anthropomorphise animals, but you are anthropocentric. Humans are the problem here, not the animals. Whereas there may be a few animals that cannot be resocialized, it takes a trained individual to decipher which ones are and are not able to be placed. Go ahead and round up all of them, take their lives if that makes you feel better. However, another group will just replace them because the problem - humans - has not been solved. Until the human part of the equation is addressed, you will have to kill and kill and kill. That is a nasty cycle to begin. Why not begin elsewhere, like with adult education and enforced laws? Then people might not be so apt to let their pets run free - yes, a lot of the "street" dogs are pets. In fact, didn't this whole thing start with someone's dog - an animal owned by an individual and now the proposal is to round up all of the loose dogs???? You round up now and begin the killing, you will not solve anything. In fact, you may compound the issue as people react negatively to having their property destroyed.
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By Harrie Cox (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #481) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:18 pm: |
Please, please, please, read our Action Plan. 8 points, one of them killing the dogs that are too much on the roads, all the other points about education (not of dogs, but of children and grow-ups), preventing overpopulation in the future. A system to prevent killing of dogs that are "owned". You cannot talk about one thing, and forget the others. All the points have to be started together.....
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By Randy P (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #769) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 11:18 pm: |
I am PROUD to be a lifelong member of P.E.T.A. (People Eating Tasty Animals)
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By Ann Phelan - www.bonairecaribbean.com (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3131) on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 6:55 am: |
Harrie, your plan has merit in many areas but the systematic eradication of all street dogs is pure BS. So many innocent kind docile creatures will be killed in this 2 week sweep. I am sick about it. I know many street dogs who are at various stores and businesses. They greet me with a wag and enjoy a treat. Many are owned as well but the owners do not have collars.
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By Alex Brown (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #267) on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 8:41 am: |
Whichever side of this issue you are on, a donation to the Bonaire Animal Shelter's sterilization fund will help.
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By Walt III - www.RecTekScuba.com (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #386) on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 3:32 pm: |
I certainly hope we are not revisiting the wild west of 15 years ago when the control was 2 guys in a pick up, one driving, one blasting away with a shotgun from the back bed. Or the guy in back was jumping out chasing a dog between houses then blasting away. They were piss poor shots at that as it usually took them several rounds to put a dog down.
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By Brian back in Dear Old Blighty (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3715) on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 7:12 pm: |
When we were in Bonaire last week, there was a really nice, friendly female street dog hanging out near Mona Lisa. We fed her twice, and also saw a Dutch lady feeding her. We think she may have recently had puppies. She is a beautiful dog (medium sized, tan in colour with amber eyes and very tame) - and the thought of her being killed in the 'sweep' mentioned by Ann is heartbreaking. Is there any way somebody could find her and take her (and if they can be found the puppies) to the shelter? We did think about this but because of there being puppies involved and we couldn't find them we didn't pursue this option while we were there.
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By Amanda Gaston (New BonaireTalk Poster - Post #7) on Sunday, June 1, 2008 - 8:10 am: |
I agree with most of your plan. Education and sterilization and the two most pressing issues in my opinion. Everybody- get any dog you care about sterilized.
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